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opt2not:

Neh, doesn't matter to me. If it feels the same, and saves me money, then rock on.

Switches get replaced so frequently in our cabinets (our cabs get a LOT of use) that I could care less what brand they are. As long as the feel right and connect the same way, I'm happy.



Ginsu Victim:


--- Quote from: opt2not on July 03, 2009, 04:22:43 pm ---Neh, doesn't matter to me. If it feels the same, and saves me money, then rock on.

Switches get replaced so frequently in our cabinets (our cabs get a LOT of use) that I could care less what brand they are. As long as the feel right and connect the same way, I'm happy.



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Compare a Sanwa and a Cherry and you'll care.

MonMotha:


--- Quote from: Ginsu Victim on July 03, 2009, 05:54:09 pm ---Compare a Sanwa and a Cherry and you'll care.
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Actually, the only microswitches I've ever had to deal with that I would consider "utter garbage" were some Sanwa branded ones that came on a set of Ultimarc Ultralux buttons (good buttons otherwise, though).  I've become something of an Omron whore when it comes to microswitches, but that's just because they're pretty good and they are the OEM equipment on almost all of the cabinets I own.

As for Happ changing vendors, I'd pay it no mind.  They seemed to do almost no QA on their Cherry sourced switches, anyway.  I'm not even sure they always ordered the same part.  There certainly seems to be some pretty major differences between Happ supplied switches from ~2002 and the ones they've had recently, even on old stuff with very little use.

The E-Switch switches I've seen used (in VERY switch sensitive gaming applications, mind you) seem to fare just fine.  They don't feel 100% like the OEM part, but that was probably just because somebody failed to match specs, not due to any fault of the switch.

Ginsu Victim:


--- Quote from: MonMotha on July 03, 2009, 10:47:52 pm ---Actually, the only microswitches I've ever had to deal with that I would consider "utter garbage" were some Sanwa branded ones that came on a set of Ultimarc Ultralux buttons (good buttons otherwise, though).

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That's how I experienced them, as well.

AndyWarne:

Microswitches used in gaming applications can and do experience contact problems and sometimes this can happen quite early in the lifetime of the switch.
The problem is lack of contact "wetting" which is an issue when contacts are used with very low currents. Tarnishing of the contacts will occur if the contacts have a wetting current which is above the current being switched.

Cherry switches are not immune to this. I have seen Cherry switches in the past which suffered really badly from this problem almost from new. The ones currently supplied by Happ are OK. Cherry switches sourced in various parts of the world have a different design, even a different casing colour even though the part number may be the same, and the quality has varied in the past.

We dont yet know if the E-Switches will suffer from any problems or not. They may well be fine. The point is though that the fact these are switching a low current does not mean the lifetime of the switch will be longer than any manufacturers stated life. It might well be much shorter.

I personally like Sanwa switches the best of all. The reason for this might be somewhat too objective though, I admit. Its because the output looks best on an oscilloscope, very little contact bounce and a nice clean make/break. A better signal then any Cherry switch. I accept that they are a heavier action than the Cherry switches though, and my criteria might not be the best way to subjectively judge a switch.

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