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shardian:

--- Quote from: Fordman on July 14, 2009, 09:37:39 am ---Whoooaaa Pinballjim. DIAF ?

Chances are the work was done right or it wouldnt have made it out of the factory. But as with anything, things do go wrong. The toymotor and honda dealerships have service departments too at their dealerships and they're always full, and NO the people just arnt getting oil changes or wiper blade replacements.

The number one problem for car or truck, BAD GAS. If you buy gas from Joe Schmoo's thrifty gas, then you get 87 octane with the minimum required EPA detergents. If you buy a branded gas, chances are you get better detergets and a guarantee. Joe Schmoo might be a few pennies cheaper on the gallon, but will cost you in the long run. Ford recomends BP gas, but not all areas have a BP station, so a Shell or Marathon equvilient will do. 

Bad Gas can cause anywhere from fuel line or pump issues, injector clog up to injector failure, improper combustion leaving lots of carbon in the combustion chamber, fouling out the spark plugs pre-maturely. Extra carbon then doesnt exit out the exhaust or if it does, getting stuck in the manifold or if it makes it to the catalytic convertor or even the muffler. Carbon getting mixed with the oil, then possible gumming up the oil pump (why do you think there is alot of sludge in lots of oil pans?)

With any vehicle at every 20,000 miles, you should buy 2 bottles of Chevron Techron

 

Put in a full 93 octane tank and one bottle of Techron, run all that out. Fill again with 93 octane and other bottle of Techron. Run that out, then go back to your regular gasoline.
This cleans dirt from the injectors - fuel line and carbon from the engine. You will notice a difference with how the vehicle runs!
Better yet, if you have Chevron Stations in your area, use their gas because they put this stuff in their gas already!

Yes, bad gas is usually the start of alot of other issues like the O2 sensors, sticking lifters and the likes going bad too.

Just because the japs made it, doesnt mean it wont break!

Fordman

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You really should not put 93 octane in a 4 banger. Pre-ignition, knock, valve damage...all of these things are not good. Just keep that in mind folks.

Fordman:
I agree, 4 cylinders shouldnt use 93 octane all the time due to the heat the 93 octance produces and could warp the intake manifold and head.

As for the gasoline coming out of the same pipeline, I agree, but its when what valves are turned on that either increase the octane or detergents. Also if your local station is charging for a 93 octane and they are only giving you 89, then your local weights & measures department is being given a special brown envelope to look the other way.

Also, some Cadillacs and performance cars can only run on 93 octane, so I will disagree with your assesment that all the gas is the same!

Fordman

Flake:

--- Quote from: pinballjim on July 14, 2009, 10:48:46 am ---
--- Quote from: shardian on July 14, 2009, 10:00:05 am ---You really should not put 93 octane in a 4 banger. Pre-ignition, knock, valve damage...all of these things are not good. Just keep that in mind folks.

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Why should he worry about that?  He thinks cars are only made for 100k.

I have a very difficult time believing in magical gasoline given that I grew up in the shadow of an oil refinery that made one type of gasoline - premium.  All the local gas stations sent their trucks to the same spigot and they all dispensed the same gasoline into three different tanks and charged three different prices.  Everyone that worked at the refinery knew this, yet there were people that were CONVINCED it wasn't true and insisted on paying an extra 50 cents/gallon.

Thus is insanity.




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Haha.....that reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Homer and Barney take the Duff Brewery tour.  There's a scene showing Duff, Duff Dry, and Duff Lite all coming from the same vat.

Sorry, couldnt resist.

shardian:

--- Quote from: pinballjim on July 14, 2009, 10:48:46 am ---
--- Quote from: shardian on July 14, 2009, 10:00:05 am ---You really should not put 93 octane in a 4 banger. Pre-ignition, knock, valve damage...all of these things are not good. Just keep that in mind folks.

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Why should he worry about that?  He thinks cars are only made for 100k.

I have a very difficult time believing in magical gasoline given that I grew up in the shadow of an oil refinery that made one type of gasoline - premium.  All the local gas stations sent their trucks to the same spigot and they all dispensed the same gasoline into three different tanks and charged three different prices.  Everyone that worked at the refinery knew this, yet there were people that were CONVINCED it wasn't true and insisted on paying an extra 50 cents/gallon.

Thus is insanity.




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They may be getting it from the same spigot, but what they are pumping out is different. Gas stations have 2 gasoline tanks - one for 87 and one for 93. The mid-grade is made by mixing the 2 other grades at the pump. As Fordman said, individual gas tanks and pumps are tested by the Weights and Measures department to make sure the gas stations aren't screwing customers.

Does everything have to be a conspiracy with you Jim? Jeez, I feel like I am talking with my dad!

ChadTower:

--- Quote from: shardian on July 14, 2009, 01:21:58 pm ---tested by the Weights and Measures department to make sure the gas stations aren't screwing customers.

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I don't trust weights and measures either.  Everything in the MA/RI gov't is kickbacks and scams.  It has gotten to the point that they don't even hide it anymore since there is nobody to prosecute them. 

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