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what do you nerds do for living? - discuss career possibilities
pinballwizard79:
PBJ once again you...........ah never mind >:D
I am sure Australia is a magic land where your boss lets you make out with his wife, then gives you a raise & sends you home early to cook up kangaroo meat on the barbie while drinking Fosters & staring at a big orange rock with a Subaru in front of it.
But truth be told the only people who care about unions are the people in the union........................then there are the rest of us. If you were a Scientologist union member then you'd belong to two groups that no one else other than its own members cared about.
Tomorrow I swear to god I will eat Chinese food, when I get home I will drink Spaaten & then watch telemundo on my Japanese made TV.
OMG its a Toyota commercial on Telemundo
Alright I am totally starting to turn into a troll, I cant be "that guy" more than 2 posts in a row so I have to be good for a while.
danny_galaga:
--- Quote from: pinballwizard79 on June 05, 2009, 02:27:41 am ---PBJ once again you...........ah never mind >:D
I am sure Australia is a magic land where your boss lets you make out with his wife, then gives you a raise & sends you home early to cook up kangaroo meat on the barbie while drinking Fosters & staring at a big orange rock with a Subaru in front of it.
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Well, I did finish work at 1:30 pm today. Fosters is the crap we export to you people. The bosses wife is a bit too 'plain' for me...
Fordman:
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Our local Toyota factory (Ontario, Canada) is not unionized, and they have no shortage of people wanting to work there (even prior to the current economic/work situation this was the case). Great reputation. $25/hr minimum starting wage.
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The only reason the toyota workers get paid the $25.00hr is because the Ford, Chrysler & GM plants that are represented by the CAW. Toyoyta and honda in the U.S. also pay /w benefits similar to the Big 3 just to keep the UAW out. It's well documented that when ever the UAW represented plants get gains or have to take cuts, the foriegn plants do too!
Same story here in the U.S.A., when the 'Now Hiring' sign goes up, there are 25,000 people in line for the 25-30 jobs available. with 24,000 of them cursing the UAW the day before because they make too much money, but when they get a chance at the pie, they all the sudden change their tune!
:cheers:
Fordman
CheffoJeffo:
--- Quote from: Fordman on June 05, 2009, 08:43:30 am ---The only reason the toyota workers get paid the $25.00hr is because the Ford, Chrysler & GM plants that are represented by the CAW.
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That's not quite accurate, but it definitely plays a part in terms of what the market will bear.
For my part, I've never been a big fan of unions as the companies got bigger and the unions started to wield undue amounts of power in what I see should be a free market.
As for my purchases, I have owned 3 Ford vehicles, none of which was made in the USA, 3 Honda vehicles, 2 of which were made in the USA, 2 GM vehicles, both made in the USA, a BMW and a Toyota, which was made in the USA.
In terms of overall quality, the Toyota wins handsdown with the Hondas coming in a close second. My Jimmy was a vehicle that I could keep running forever on my own, except that I couldn't change the damned spark plugs without a hoist and it wouldn't seat the 3 kids, 2 dogs and all of our gear comfortably (otherwise I would still have it). For the most part, the Fords have been a disaster, but they've been Windstars (and, as I say, not made in the USA), so that was not entirely unexpected.
I do find it interesting that my best friend is a firefighter and relies heavily on his union (was a union delegate not long ago) to negotiate well on his behalf ... and he *hates* the UAW. His last vehicle, purchased new 5 months ago, was a Toyota and built in Japan.
As for flake's assessment that the US is attractive for business, it is attractive for *some* businesses ... while access to capital is important, the US has suffered in that regard (Hell, Toyota requested a "bailout" from the Japanese government so that they could finance more cars because the US capital markets dried up). Access to consumers is, today, mostly independent of the geography of manufacturing. Add to that an expensive, aging, workforce and high health-care costs and it isn't as attractive as people might think for companies with large workforces.
--- Quote from: Fordman on June 04, 2009, 10:29:58 pm ---Shouldve re-invested their 1990's profits in ther products, not expand what they had!
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That, and started to think about adequately financing their benefits programs, the pay-as-you-go costs of which comprise, what, 30-40% of the human labour cost in each new vehicle ?
In any event :cheers: to you for being proud of what you do and what you make.
ChadTower:
--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on June 05, 2009, 09:29:37 am ---
--- Quote from: Fordman on June 05, 2009, 08:43:30 am ---The only reason the toyota workers get paid the $25.00hr is because the Ford, Chrysler & GM plants that are represented by the CAW.
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That's not quite accurate, but it definitely plays a part in terms of what the market will bear.
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Does it really? The only way that would be a real factor is if the Toyota workers could jump to Ford. If there are a thousand applicants for every job at Ford that is not a factor at all. If that figure is anything close to accurate then Ford is a closed system and has no effect on market rates among at-will employees.
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