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Haunted Ms. Pacman Cabinet?
Xiaou2:
--- Quote ---Have you actually even read that document? It has absolutely nothing to do with detention centers. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.
And this document - which is obviously not a secret at all - has an implimentation date from 2003-2012. We're halfway through 2009. It's been 6-1/2 years! Are they waiting until 2012 to start implimenting these not so secret detention centers? When will they start using them?
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LOL. You mean like the very TITLE?!
"Endgame: Office of Detention and Removal Strategic Plan. Detention and removal
plan for a Secure Homeland"
Read page 4 of the Executive Summary. Geez.. I guess you are the one who cant
read...
The detention centers were built recently.. and are now manned and operational.
There are over 600 of them littered all over the states. You can look them up at
your leisure. Most all of them are located next to rail lines - for easy transport
of human dumping to the sites.
Weather it was carried out fully yet or not makes no difference. The facts are
written on the PDF... which may have been leaked. Not sure. Your tax dollars
Built the 600 detention centers.. and are paying for them to be manned at this
very moment.. Thus the plan has not yet been Halted now has it?
(2000) Illegal Martial Law Training on US Streets:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71Jux68F_AQ[/youtube]
1UP:
For the love of all that is holy, Someone please make it STOP!
Wow. I always knew you were stubborn but never figured just how BUGNUTS you really were. I happen to believe in the constitution. If people were suddenly being locked up in detention centers without due process, there would be a huge outcry, and it would not stand for long. What possible purpose would there be to just round up innocent civilians at random and lock them in some kind of stateside Auschwitz? So you're one of THOSE, eh? Yikes. Come back to reality my friend. Please.
"The lottery is rigged. Prove me wrong." That's like saying "My mother is Abraham Lincoln. Prove me wrong." How could I possibly prove either? You're a perfect image of the "enlightened" type that is discussed in the "Open Mindedness" video above. Total basket case. Hoo-Faa! :dizzy:
VespaGuy:
Just. can't. stop. replying....
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on May 26, 2009, 01:39:25 am ---Wrong. You believe its not rigged. I believe it is. If you Believe so strongly
that its not rigged, and are compelled to prove it... then do so.
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I have no interest in the lottery. You made a claim. You refuse to back it up. Dodge noted.
--- Quote --- You have no way to validate your belief. You have just as much proof as Me.
However, my belief is much more realistic... believable, probable.
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Yet, no evidence.
--- Quote --- Ignoring useless drivel. Why talk to a useless Brick wall? It does nothing, and
is worth nothing.
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I feel for you. I've corrected you dozens of times about Randi's challenge. A quick look at his rules contradicts many of the things that you claim the rules say. Yet, you continue....
--- Quote --- Randi afaik, has NEVER once signed and agreed to a single test.
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Then you just aren't trying. Natasha Demkina was a high profile applicant tested in 2004. It even appeared on the Discovery Channel. There have been more since her. And he tests dowsers constantly.
--- Quote ---Most people attempting to get in are completely ignored - even if they have a valid belief
in what they can do. He has even Backed out of a test agreement by some.
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I've already corrected you on this. You continue to repeat falsehoods.
--- Quote --- Randi also isnt going to take 45 out of 50. He isnt looking for that at all.
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Actually, Randi is looking for statistical significance (I believe it's something like 1/1000 by random chance on the preliminary and 1/100,000 for the million dollar challenge, but you could look this up to be certain). 45 correct out of 50 would be acceptible to pass the preliminary challenge. Randi uses a similar setup constantly with dowsers.
--- Quote ---Hes looking to make fools out of scammers.
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Not entirely. The scammers are smart enough to stay away.
--- Quote ---He seeks Nothing to do with REAL paranormal research... and so he isnt going to accept anything that even is remotely to do with that.
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Right. He doesn't do "REAL paranormal research", whatever that may be. No reason to. You claim you can do something? Then do it. No need to know how.. just do it. Unfortunately, nobody ever does.
--- Quote ---You arent going to get Randi to spend the month at a known hot-spot haunted place... let alone a week, and probably not even a day.
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You are absolutely correct. Because creaky noises and drafty old houses aren't proof of ghosts. Again, if you actually ever get around to reading the rules, you'll realize that the claims have to be testable with self-evident results. I hate to inform you, but just like Benneth's challenge, having a haunted house is not a testable claim.
--- Quote ---He simply does not care. In fact, he states that at the end of his spiel about demons and such not being accepted entries into the challenge.
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There are quite a few things that aren't acceptable: Breatharians, cloud-busters, and a few others aren't tested either for a variety of reasons. Some tests would cause harm to the applicant. Other claims are simply untestable. Demonic possesion falls into the latter.
--- Quote ---Hes somehow supposedly got 1 million in extra funds to which he has a vested interest in not giving away... And he has no interest in various aspects of paranormal activity.
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The 1 million isn't in extra funds, it's in bonds. Randi will never, ever see that money. Nor will his foundation. It is there for the purpose of the challenge. If someone wins the money, it will have no financial effect on James Randi. I've already explained why somebody actually winning the money would be a good thing for Randi.
--- Quote ---And he insists that any entry be accepted by media before any attempt at all is accepted. This all shows very clearly what Randi is Really all about.
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This is a newer rule that was added to stop everyone with a parlor trick from applying. It also has given him the time to go after the big fish - the ones who actually prey on innocent people. And if you truly have a parnormal ability, it shouldn't be hard to find a media outlet.
--- Quote ---Hes a Scammer Himself. No better than the people who he tries to defraud...because he uses the same slimy tactics.
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Just because you keep repeating that doesn't make it true. Read the rules. Everything you say is false. Everything.
--- Quote --- Sorry, but your dead Wrong. My results have proven well beyond random chance.
Even if I was to ignore both me and another getting 5 or 6 in a row correct, I would
be left with all the other evidence as Ive already layed out.
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Then put your money where your mouth is. ONE MILLION DOLLARS is waiting for you!! ONE MILLION!! Not only that, but you could get a Noble Prize for discovering communication beyond the realm of science! Think of the advances we could make as humans if we could harness the power you claim to have?! And if Randi scams you, then you can go to the media. You can expose him as the fraud you claim he is!!
Wow. 1 million bucks! A Noble prize. Scientific breakthroughs!!!!
Just like every other one before you, you make up a million excuses why you won't do it.
--- Quote ---Skeptics with no experience in such fields are ill prepared to understand. Its like a 4 yr old trying to understand the complexities of martial arts. They may only get the basic ideas... but are lost to the voluminous depths of the details.
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Again. Skeptics don't care about what makes it work. Chi, meridians, vibrations,... it doesn't make a difference at all. Can you do what you claim, repeatedly under controlled conditions? Yes or no?
--- Quote --- If you never Swam in the water... How much could you theoretically understand about Swimming? All the books in the world couldnt really make you understand the feelings, motions, and experience of an actual physical swim. If I was doing an investigation about swimming... How good of an investigator would I be if I never put so much as a Toe into the water?
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If you told me that you could swim, I don't need to know one darn thing about swimming for you to prove it to me. All you need to do is tell me what swimming is ("I jump in the water, move my arms and travel the lenght of the pool without drowning). If you don't drown, you win. It's that simple. I don't care HOW you swim, I don't care about fluid dynamics, or how you breathe. Just show me that you CAN swim. It doesn't matter if I'm an olympic medalist, or if I grew up in a desert. If you can swim it will be self-evident.
Except when skeptics ask people like you to "swim", you won't do it. You tell us about the swim classes you took. You tell us abou the time you swam when you were younger. You tell us how your dad can vouch for you that you swam really good once before. When we ask you to just swim so we can watch, you tell us that you haven't swam in a while, so you're not good at it anymore. You tell us that you aren't in shape, and you'd need to work out before attempting to swim again. You tell us that the water is too hot, or too cold. Or in this paticular case, you tell us that you can't prove it to us because we haven't done research on swimming.
Here's the thing. We don't care. If you claim you can swim, then show us. If you claim you can read zener cards, then show us.
--- Quote ---Developing your intuitive abilities is much more than you can realize with your
shallow surface knowledge and prejudices. You have No experience with deep
meditations and the effects and feelings associated with them. You have the smallest
of understandings.. and your prejudices and small minded-ness along with your
Ego prevent you from exploring the possibility. You claim false victory, and you
revel in your ignorance.
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I don't need to know anything about ESP to know that you can't do what you claim.
--- Quote ---The very First big thing I did was blow some money on a "Healer" to see if it was
real.. and what I would feel... If anything. Well, I can tell you that I was not all
that impressed. The man was very nice... but was trying to guess my Ill's when I
had none to my knowledge. Yet, one thing I did notice was that as his hands
hovered several inches over me... I felt a tingle and heat that I had not felt before.
It was much more heat than the typical hand heat of a normal persons hand.
The experience was enough to interest me to spend the measly $10 Per
Psychic class. The experiences were well worth the money spent.
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PT Barnum has a saying about people like you.
--- Quote --- Actually, this is exactly why I have not bothered to even reply to you. Your
experience and attitude are so poor as not to even be worth it.
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You haven't replied to me because I have corrected you on just about every statement you've made regarding the James Randi Challenge. It's ok. I'd be embaressed, too.
--- Quote --- The Meditations I did were probably the Best thing that Ive ever done in my
lifetime. In only a few months... I was the most happiest Id ever been..
I felt as if I was Floating on a cloud when I was walking in my daily waking life.
[snip]
So, yeah... again... your response shows me the level of both maturity and
depth of understanding you have. It shows me you are a zombie who believes
what you read word for word.. and are too lazy and or blinded to prove it
to yourself.
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Actually, I'm the quite the opposite. I believe that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
--- Quote ---You are a useless Brick Wall. With little place to go.
And Btw- If you had even done the smallest of research on Meditation.. You
would at least know the scientific findings of Value of it. Of course, knowing something
is good means very little. Its true Experience that counts a thousand fold more.
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I don't recall ever arguing about mediation. But since you rest on the "Scientific findings", what are the "scientific findings" of ESP?
VespaGuy:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on May 26, 2009, 01:54:43 am --- LOL. You mean like the very TITLE?!
"Endgame: Office of Detention and Removal Strategic Plan. Detention and removal
plan for a Secure Homeland"
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This is a joke, right? You think that the use of the word "detention" in the title is proof of detention centers!! :laugh2:
--- Quote ---Read page 4 of the Executive Summary. Geez.. I guess you are the one who cant read...
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I read it again. Still nothing about these 600 detention centers or railroads. Can you quote the part for those of us who can't find it?
--- Quote ---The detention centers were built recently.. and are now manned and operational. There are over 600 of them littered all over the states. You can look them up at your leisure. Most all of them are located next to rail lines - for easy transport of human dumping to the sites.
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Nope.
--- Quote ---Weather it was carried out fully yet or not makes no difference. The facts are written on the PDF... which may have been leaked. Not sure.
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Oh, so now it may be leaked? lol. Funny how when I pointed out how ridiculous it is to believe that a public government document would expose sooper-sekret detention camps, it suddenly became a possibly leaked document.
--- Quote ---Your tax dollars Built the 600 detention centers.. and are paying for them to be manned at this very moment.. Thus the plan has not yet been Halted now has it?
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Where are all of these manned detention centers?
--- Quote ---(2000) Illegal Martial Law Training on US Streets:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71Jux68F_AQ[/youtube]
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So this is the video? A training exercise from 2000? Boy, what an ineffeicent government we have. Here it is 9 years later, and still no martial law. And the other sooper-sekret detention center operation is already 6-1/2 years old and we haven't used them at all yet!!!
First Benneth and now Alex Jones. Poor, poor xiaou2. You'll believe just about anything. Why don't you tell everyone who really pulled off 9/11, or about that soundstage in Mexico where the government taped the moon landing. :laugh2:
dreamakuma:
You know I read somewhere That electro magnetic fields(EMF's) In high levels can trick the mind Like thinking someone is watching you, or possibly causing temporary Paranoia, and said emf's are know to come from electroncs(mainly transfromers, fuseboxes, heavy duty stuff). Now I know What I belive and I can also accept what other do too... So I got a theory on the pac man. The electronic may have been old and maybe some wires were exposed and not insolated properly(were are talking quite an old cab). That Could cause some emf's to Be around the cab(I'm thinking that big ole isolation transfromer might have something to do with it). So whoever brings it into the house is effected by said emf's. Instant ghost. I mean at least I came up with a theory based in fact and resonable possibility. thought I might bring something to the table and stay on the pac-man.