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| Ginsu Victim:
I've got a friend who I had lost contact with over the years. In high school, we knew him as "the kooky guy", because he was a bit of a kook. The other day, I got back into contact with him via Myspace, and I found out what he's doing now: http://www.insightparanormal.org Still a kook, it seems.... |
| 1UP:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on May 24, 2009, 06:06:51 am --- In one book Ive read... it was said that the spirits who die get helped to their new destinations by other helper / higher spirits. However, there are many spirits who refuse to leave. Some actually stay with their physical bodies in the coffins ... waiting for "Jesus" to come back and revive them to life. --- End quote --- Interesting. Since the only people who could possibly have experienced this would have to be dead, I wonder how the author did his research... And you call Occam's Razor drivel? Excuse me while I roffle. :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: Basically, you are telling us to ignore rational thinking or be skeptical about science--even though you use science to back up every other argument you make--and just believe anything you say? Have you even watched the video posted earlier? It might do you some good, although I doubt anything will ever get through to you in your alternate reality. I don't think I'll even bother to argue with you about joysticks or switches again, you've just lost what little credibility you had. --- Quote from: FrizzleFried on May 24, 2009, 11:31:42 am ---For the record... my mom also claims she's seen a ghost. --- End quote --- For the record, so has mine, but she is a very reasonable person. But what she thinks she saw happened when she was a child. My mom and all her sisters say they used to hear singing and talking under their house at night. They even gave the ghost a name. There are other anecdotes of cousins and such on her side that have seen some mysterious person standing in an empty room after loved ones had died, but they were always very young children. Which means one of two things: children have some property that makes them more likely to be able to see ghosts, or they have more active imaginations and are prone to exaggeration and less able to use critical thinking than adults. |
| Xiaou2:
--- Quote --- If a human eye can see it, a camera can record it. If a human ear can hear it, an audio recording can be made. --- End quote --- Firstly, you ignored my statements... that certain people can see spirits - because they are open to them, and can view the other plane of existence. In such a case, only they would be able to view the spirit in visible form. Consciousness does not have to be visible either.. and yet, that does not mean that it does not exist without physical form. Can you prove consciousness without form? Imop.. there surly has to be... considering that this universe is way too non-chaotic to be the way it is today. Something with great intelligence had to form the way this entire system operates. Now, why would ghosts be with form... such as clothing? It boggles the mind! My guess, is that the image in which they somehow are able to project. (or how the person who senses them is able to translate the information into a visible format based on the information) Then again, the ones seen may just be a static wrinkle in time... a sort of 'captured' hologram of a past living life. Who knows. Some do not so much as see the actual form of a spirit... yet then can get glimpses of the spirits past memories. And or they can hear and or read the spirits emotions, and intentions... or even communicate with them. Such things are impressive... but very hard to prove. For one... the connections are not always very solid and true. And that the spirits who chose to stay behind are often lost and mischievous - if not cold and mean in intentions. Many spirits that are contacted thru Ouija board are Liars... and are trying to attain a stronger hold over their hosts so can gain control / possession. --- Quote ---If a human can feel a temperature change, a digital thermometer can record it. --- End quote --- I pretty much agree with you about this (though not completely certain). When I saw a ghost... I do not recall it being colder than normal. Then again, I was about 12 ft away from it. My mother said one spirit appeared next to her in her bed, and woke because it was freezing cold - only to quickly discover why that was! There are some shows on tv that have captured significant drops in temperature in very small localized areas. However... like anyone, I suspect such shows as being manipulated and fake. Anyone could in fact rig up false equipment and set up a funhouse worth of trickery. The question would then be.... What scientist has captured true unexplained severe temperature drops, and what was done with the data? Nobody is going to believe the data.. or they will simply shrug it off. Just like many Atheists shurg off the fact that Something Intelligent had to have designed the universe and set its components in action. Stuff like this just does not get here for no reason at all! Voices on digital recorders? Again, supposedly many have captured them. Will anyone Really take them seriously? The only ones who might... would be the people who were there at the site where they were captured. And even that could be tampered or faked. And even If its real... again... who is really going to take it as 100% fact? Simply put, most people Dont want to believe in such a thing as a spirit. It may Ruin their entire perspectives on Religion, the way the afterlife works, their entire view of life and how they may choose to see and live it. And Btw - The Great Randy is a scam in itself. The guy has a vested interest in not seeking the truth. He also does not actively search nor research the topic of interest. Ive also heard of people considering signing up for a challenge, and getting tons of complicated paperwork filled out... and any one error (which due to its intended design is extremely easy to make) will void the entire thing. Not only that... but He himself gets to make the rules... which means he can cheat the results. I believe people have to pay him to come out... as well as only 1 or 2 test are done per year. I cant recall all the details... but it was an extremely sketchy operation. To even use him in an argument shows pure ignorance on the highest level. --- Quote ---You implied such scientific data existed - I can't find it. I'd like to see it. --- End quote --- I have no reason to dig so deep. Ive already seen the stuff, and have many other witnesses whom I believe and trust. However, if you are so interested.. I suggest starting out by asking people in real-estate. People who buy, rent and sell houses. One of my recent bosses was studying to become a realtor in his spare time. Hes already heard several stories from many other realtors about houses that have problems with them. Then start asking your closest of friends. People who you know that do not lie, and hold high integrity... if they have ever experienced something out of the ordinary. Make sure you do not do so as a joke... nor in a way that is suspectful. But rather genuinely interested. Most people really do not want to tell their experiences, because they dont want to be labeled as insane. My mother grew up with 5 other siblings + her mother, in a very old haunted house in the city. It was very unusual, and had a few hidden passage ways in it - most likely used when prohibition was in swing. However, something bad must have happened there... because there was a lot of activity there. At the age of only 3, my mom said that she had seen a man in a black trench coat asking her to follow him. Her mother had later reported this to her when she got older. She would point to the man, and ask her mother about him... and nobody was there. Later: Every night at a certain time... there were sounds of footsteps... which led to the restroom. Then the toilet would actually flush. The kids tried to jump out and see who it was... and there was never anyone there. I will spare my moms worst experiences, to save some nightmares... however, this one is pretty messed up: My Moms Sister went to find my mother. Opened her room door up. My mothers various photographs of people were spinning around the room... and the faces on them were laughing. My aunt quickly slammed the door closed, never to go in there again. My mother hates liars. Even the smallest of white lies I tried to tell as a kid.. and I was getting my hair nearly pulled out of my head by her. My aunt, is also very honest.. and has no reason to lie about her experience. My mother is a B*tch... but she, nor my nice aunt are loony tunes. Not even close. |
| Todd H:
I see lots and lots of words and numerous claims but still no evidence to back any of it up. Something tells me this isn't worth my time. |
| 1UP:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on May 24, 2009, 05:20:03 pm --- Firstly, you ignored my statements... that certain people can see spirits - because they are open to them, and can view the other plane of existence. In such a case, only they would be able to view the spirit in visible form. --- End quote --- It's fun to pretend you have super powers. --- Quote ---Many spirits that are contacted thru Ouija board are Liars... and are trying to attain a stronger hold over their hosts so can gain control / possession. --- End quote --- You don't seriously believe that a piece of printed cardboard mass produced by Milton Bradley is really a spritual gateway? :laugh: |
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