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Haunted Ms. Pacman Cabinet?
dreamakuma:
--- Quote from: TOK on May 23, 2009, 03:37:21 pm ---
We have a guy here that claims the typewriter his dead mother gave him writes it's own messages. What would you do with that? Throw it in storage so it doesn't wake you up or use it to prove to the world there is life after death?
Please.
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Because If I showed it First thing I'd Hear is FAKE. And anytime I've tried to get it on tape...it just doesn't happen. And it doesn't prove life after death. I've had audio recorded but then again hearing CLACK CLACK CLICK CLICK DING!!! doesn't prove anything. Hell it possibly could be explained. I mean I've had intimate expiriances with things that couldn't be explanied as a child seeing lights in a Closet that had no origin as well as others but then again the typewriter could just have heavy keys and it's just weird coincidence....but "haunted" is the best way to desrcibe it. kinda cruel of you guys so i'll just stop sharing at this point. not that i'm offended , just don't want to discuss it further.
saint:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on May 23, 2009, 12:32:53 pm --- A true scientist takes all data into consideration.
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I'd like to believe. Scientific data is documentable, quantifiable, and reproducable. I'd like to see such data.
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And I'm not making this up -- I swear I had posted this reply already, but when I went to look for it a moment later it wasn't there so I had to post it again. I assume I missed something...
Xiaou2:
1up, just because you can not conceive of a spirit which sticks around does not
mean that they do not do so.
In fact, there are many reasons for such an event to happen.
In one book Ive read... it was said that the spirits who die get helped to their
new destinations by other helper / higher spirits. However, there are many
spirits who refuse to leave. Some actually stay with their physical bodies
in the coffins ... waiting for "Jesus" to come back and revive them to life.
Some have said that a free roaming soul creates its own sort of reality.
(A soul does not have that same sort of physical eyesight - and so perception
and reality are very different) Sort of like its own living dream. In this state...
they can get stuck/lost.
Some choose to stick around to watch their loved ones or simply, because they
prefer to hang around the world as they knew it - rather than to move on.
--- Quote --- I'd like to believe. Scientific data is documentable, quantifiable, and reproducable. I'd like to see such data.
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Im sure with a little digging, one can find documented scientific data on the
subject. The problem is... that its usually brushed off as a fluke, malfunction,
and or archived away like it never happened.
There is certain types of data that can be collected.. however, theres much more that
can not be. Just think... How can one collect readings on something that exists
on a different plane of reality? Can we detect consciousness? If a ghost is only
seen by the person who tunes into that reality... Can we detect it through them?
There are many more questions than answers.
My mother told us what she saw when we were young. We thus grew up with
open minds to such things... which is probably the only way that I was able to
see such things. They also seem to be attracted to people who see them... such as
my mother, who sees them regularly.
The people who Ive talked with, such as my close friends here... Ive known for like
10 yrs. They are not the liar types, nor story-makers. Not druggies either. Ive met
many Liar / Story tellers in my time... so Im very keen to be able to tell the difference
in people who are dead serious and honest, and those who are making crap up.
Occums Razor is a Cop Out. Self appointed BS. And it still does not explain
to any degree How all this Stuff was just 'here'. The universe is far from Simple!
And only simple minded people would use such Drivel in an argument.
saint:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on May 24, 2009, 06:06:51 am ---
--- Quote --- I'd like to believe. Scientific data is documentable, quantifiable, and reproducable. I'd like to see such data.
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Im sure with a little digging, one can find documented scientific data on the
subject. The problem is... that its usually brushed off as a fluke, malfunction,
and or archived away like it never happened.
There is certain types of data that can be collected.. however, theres much more that
can not be.
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If a human eye can see it, a camera can record it. If a human ear can hear it, an audio recording can be made. If a human can feel a temperature change, a digital thermometer can record it.
You implied such scientific data existed - I can't find it. I'd like to see it.
retrometro:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on May 24, 2009, 06:06:51 am --- 1up, just because you can not conceive of a spirit which sticks around does not
mean that they do not do so.
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..and just because you can "conceive of a spirit", thinking of it does not make it so.
--- Quote --- In fact, there are many reasons for such an event to happen.
In one book Ive read... it was said that the spirits who die get helped to their
...
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First, you should strike the words "In fact" out of your vocabulary because that's not how these words are used. Also, referring to books you have read is the equivalent to using what someone tells you as evidence to support your statements.
--- Quote --- Some have said that a free roaming soul creates its own sort of reality.
(A soul does not have that same sort of physical eyesight - and so perception
and reality are very different) Sort of like its own living dream. In this state...
they can get stuck/lost.
Some choose to stick around to watch their loved ones or simply, because they
prefer to hang around the world as they knew it - rather than to move on.
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Really. ..and how do you know this? ..because the other day several professors I dearly trust told me that these spirts don't choose to stay because they're stuck or lost but rather that gravity works differently on spirits and they're unable to escape Earth's pull and move onto the next plane.... which of course is somewhere near Jupiter... or was it New Jersey?
--- Quote --- Im sure with a little digging, one can find documented scientific data on the
subject. The problem is... that its usually brushed off as a fluke, malfunction,
and or archived away like it never happened.
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Right. Because scientific journals would much rather publish esoteric articles on how light passes through some medium in this way or that way under this and such conditions than the proof for determining once and for all of life existing and interacting outside of an organism governed by a completely unknown set of laws that defy most of mankind's collective scientific knowledge bridging the centuries old conflicts between religion and science?
--- Quote --- There is certain types of data that can be collected.. however, theres much more that
can not be. Just think... How can one collect readings on something that exists
on a different plane of reality? Can we detect consciousness? If a ghost is only
seen by the person who tunes into that reality... Can we detect it through them?
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This is the classic high school debate trick of "If we don't have these answers, then how can one expect to find answers about my statement?"
--- Quote --- There are many more questions than answers.
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..and that is the point. However, you are presenting your experiences and anecdotes of others as fact supporting your answers. You have been providing instantiated answers.
--- Quote --- My mother told us what she saw when we were young. We thus grew up with
open minds to such things... which is probably the only way that I was able to
see such things. They also seem to be attracted to people who see them... such as
my mother, who sees them regularly.
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My mockery is limited to only you.
--- Quote --- The people who Ive talked with, such as my close friends here... Ive known for like
10 yrs. They are not the liar types, nor story-makers. Not druggies either. Ive met
many Liar / Story tellers in my time... so Im very keen to be able to tell the difference
in people who are dead serious and honest, and those who are making crap up.
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You should realize that no one including myself have accused you, your mother, or your friends of lying. That is, accusing you of being intentionally misleading. I even recognize you could simply be one of those guys that post absurd messages just to get the type of responses you're receiving. For that I'm guilty. You can be wrong without being a "liar type".
The only people in this thread that can't be wrong are those that have not made any claims. That is, those just asking questions and for proof of your statements.