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Xiaou2:

--- Quote ---Oh my god, Steve, would you please read before replying.  I'm starting to think you are doing this on purpose now.  I was referring to the new sticks with hard leaf SPRING and microswitch.  Please, for the sake of my sanity, try to keep up.
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 Are Happs Leafs any harder than the originals?   If so, its news to me.  I assumed
that due to cost, there would be no such change made.


--- Quote ---Some have learned to do well with micros for nearly everything.  You admit to picking and choosing the ones you use to do certain things,  which proves my assumption to be correct.
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 You assumed that I only had preference from a one sided perspective... with no
experience with the other.   

 Ive used Micros for Years.  In fact, much much longer than Leafs.  In the arcade, I
Hated them due to them getting out of whack too often, and needing cleaning.  Didnt understand their value.. and sadly, I chucked boxes of them in the trash.

 Sure, I CAN play Asteroids Deluxe with a Micro.  But considering how much more
it Fatigues my hands... and how its fire rate is slower and more awkward.. Ive
now chosen to use leafs.    Just because I CAN be good with Micros does not mean
a thing... when I can be BETTER with Leafs.  Most especially on a game like Robotron.


--- Quote ---Uh huh...you got a funny way of trying to get that done...
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 There are quite a few vendors who make things here without actually consulting
with the masses.   They believe that just because something is how They think it
should be done... or how They like things... that everyone should be the same.

 You can post all your fan mails from those same people and it wont change a
thing.   There are a lot of people that may prefer a different method.  In fact
probably a much wider audience... such as to include actual classic game owners too.

 I merely point out what I have discovered with my own experiences and
realizations.   Offense should not be taken over such a thing... especially when we
are talking about classic gaming.  Never once did I RIP apart the product.  I simply said
that it was not everyones cup of tea, which is in fact true.



--- Quote ---Just to see what in heck you were talking about, I just played Satan's Hollow up to level 16.  I remain unimpressed.  It takes 3 seconds for the missiles to get to the top of the screen.....
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 Up to 16 means little.   You have to build the bridge to get to the right side of the off-screen then fight the small Pitch-Fork tossing satan.  After you
defeat him,  you get a 2nd gun.  If you do not die... and can repeat this all over again,
you get yet a 3rd gun.   You can lay down a good stream of bullets in about less than
1" apart... not counting if you actually hit a target which probably gets you faster reload.
It matters little that the bullets are slow to exit the screen.  What matters is how many
you can lay down in such a short time.

 In fact, in asteriods, you can only get about 4 or 5 bullets on screen, and the
distance between bullets is about the same as satans hallow when you have
2 or 3 guns working.

 Have you also played Trons level 5?  Use a cheat to get there if you must... and then
try to beat the mcp without the cheat on.  Even the spider stage is pretty darn hard
up there.


Xiaou2:

--- Quote ---Why not just ASK and skip all the extra
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 If someone had asked me to make a specialized Modified Leaf switch back when
I was about 25.. I would have laughed at them.  I hated them.. and had no
idea of their true value and potential.

 In order to change my opinion,  I got razzed by enough people who knew about
real leafs value.. which made me wonder why so many people would fight so
hard for them.   I started to get pissed and decided to try to prove them wrong
by getting my own feedback.   I soon became a convert. (after I realized my mistake
in how to operate them properly)

 There is no BS in my posts.
1UP:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 ---
 There is no BS in my posts.


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Yeah, you're right 100% of the time.

Did I say BS?  I'm just saying, you do a whole lot of talking instead of cutting to the chase and saying "Hey Randy, why don't you think about making leaf switches to go with these sticks."  If that was your true intention as you say...

Whateva.  ::)
RandyT:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on May 15, 2009, 10:04:59 pm --- Are Happs Leafs any harder than the originals?   If so, its news to me.  I assumed
that due to cost, there would be no such change made.

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Just by virtue of it being new (remember, we are talking about a piece of spring steel here, not a switch) it is going to be a lot firmer than a piece of metal that has been flexed for years and years.  Also, there is a beefy microswitch underneath it, not a leaf switch.  That means you can't just "bounce" the contacts, rather you need to actually cycle the switch through that tough piece of metal.  And this one isn't one of the soft pushbutton types of micros.


--- Quote --- Just because I CAN be good with Micros does not mean a thing... when I can be BETTER with Leafs.  Most especially on a game like Robotron.

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This is really off topic, but the leaf switches have less to do with your scores on Robotron than the rest of the makeup of the stick.  The rubber grommet centering and the actuation means is more important here.  Put micros on that stick (properly...as in the WICO microswitch sticks) and you'll likely find little difference.  Pretty poor example.


--- Quote ---I simply said that it was not everyones cup of tea, which is in fact true.

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It's also true that many things in life "go without saying".  Is it really necessary to crap on everything merely because it isn't your cup of tea?  You are being defensive when there was no offense.  Your universe is safe.


--- Quote ---Up to 16 means little.   You have to build the bridge to get to the right side of the off-screen then fight the small Pitch-Fork tossing satan. 

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I know how to play the game...I got the "powerups"....That little critter on the right side of the bridge can be easier to knock off than the big one on the left.  I state again, it is not a rapid fire game.  It's actually much better than that.  Proper use of the shield and strategic kills in exchange for bridge sections, are far more important than pulling the trigger as fast as you can.  This is one game where killing everything on the screen as fast as you can is not the key to success.


--- Quote ---Have you also played Trons level 5?  Use a cheat to get there if you must... and then try to beat the mcp without the cheat on.  Even the spider stage is pretty darn hard up there.

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Geez, Steve, probably.  I used to spend every spare quarter I had on these games, and TRON was one of my favorites.  I know what it's like to play these.  Higher levels in TRON require some fast shooting for VERY short periods of time (hesitate and you die).  I don't think the currently shipping "tough trigger" sticks will allow one to complete that section with such ease, if at all.  But I believe the switch assembly we offer will.  If one would like a stronger / faster return, I can think of at least one very easy mod.  Most probably won't need or care to bothered with it.

RandyT
shilmover:

--- Quote from: TheShanMan on May 14, 2009, 12:44:56 am ---xiaou2, must you keep crapping in this product announcement thread?

shilmover, looking forward to your trigger switch pics. ;D

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Sorry.  Life got in the way (wife's 40th Birthday  :)).  Will try to get it running tonight...
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