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patrickl:
--- Quote from: shmokes on May 09, 2009, 04:24:12 pm ---The best you can get out of this argument is a big two wrongs = a right.
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No, I say it serves a purpose in both cases.
shmokes:
Yeah, patrick, that's how the two wrongs = a right argument works.
ChadTower:
--- Quote from: shmokes on May 09, 2009, 06:14:32 pm ---Yeah, patrick, that's how the two wrongs = a right argument works.
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Not if they wrongs aren't wrong. You don't get to define that any more than he does.
polaris:
--- Quote from: shmokes on May 09, 2009, 11:09:02 am ---
--- Quote from: polaris on May 08, 2009, 10:07:51 pm ---
his job is to be king and because of that he lives like a king, how else could it be.
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The answer to that, of course, is to stop having kings. France seems to be managing okay without them. And they even manage a healthy tourism business at Versailles and the Louvre after all these years.
I can see the reason in what you're saying, that not everything about being a royal is great and in many ways the Royals are in a difficult position, but most of that stuff only supports the idea that royalty is outdated and should be done away with entirely -- something that I gather you actually agree with.
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but we obviously want a king so we accept that we fund their public duties, they are wealthy anyway, they like many in the past stole what they have and one of them made themselves king, the queen inherited her wealth from her dad not the amount we pay them to do the job we ask them to do.
you know i dont agree with it but then i dont think obama should get more than you or the cleaner, and i only defend their position in our current society not any society that i would propose.
i dont know how to explain to you why someone so red as me could be forgiving of them apart from they have helped shape and do reach far into our societies and communities and are a large part of what makes us british, not something i know many here will see the positive in but there are things that make me proud of being british.
they are just part of our society which is crumbling around us , we dont as a country want to throw a large part of our identity away.
shmokes:
--- Quote from: ChadTower on May 09, 2009, 06:35:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: shmokes on May 09, 2009, 06:14:32 pm ---Yeah, patrick, that's how the two wrongs = a right argument works.
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Not if they wrongs aren't wrong. You don't get to define that any more than he does.
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It doesn't matter who defines it. Two rights don't make a right either. Giving the royal family a bunch of palaces and estates in which to live and play, and all kinds of other extravagances is either right or wrong (or neither) regardless of whether the US engages in similar practices.
"Two wrongs don't make a right," illustrates a logical flaw in the type of argument patrick is making. The logical flaw exists whether Patrick is ultimately right or not, or whether neither of us is right.
The point I'm making is that Patrick's comparisons to Obama are a red herring, both because the office of the US President is so dissimilar to that of a queen in a modern-day democracy, and because, as mentioned above, two wrongs don't make a right. If the practices are right, they are so for reasons independent of the mere fact that both countries do similar things.
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