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whammoed:

--- Quote from: LLUncoolJ on June 03, 2009, 04:18:10 pm ---When I was 16, I won a car in a radio contest. It was a white, stripped down Chevy (later Geo) Sprint Metro. It was the cheapest car on the lot, but a carless 16 year olds can't be choosey. Anyway, that thing got like 56 mpg. I think it was a 3 banger if I remember right. Granted, it was a stripped down tin can, but nothing is really approaching 56 mpg in 2009...this car was a 1987 model. Is there a rational explanation for that?

It was 22 years ago, so maybe my memories are faulty.

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Part of the issue is people expect so much horsepower in their vehicles now.  We have traded fuel efficiency for horsepower.  The other problem is most would consider a car that small and light as unsafe now.  I recall being able to deadlift the rear end of those things back in the day.

TOK:
The HP comment is right on. The Geo was under 60hp, and the Car & Driver test I mentioned earlier actually threw one into the hybrid test.

I don't recall the Prius or new Honda hybrid numbers, and they could fudge them by overstating the combined electric/gas power, but I'm sure they're over 150hp. The batteries are extremely heavy and they are also loaded with more safety equipment, so they need the power. Neither is a very fast car, though they're faster than the Metro.

The Metro tied the Prius (I think, the mag is at work) for mileage in combined highway/city driving.

Fordman:
Looks like Ford is ahead of the pack!

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/04/28/ford-fusion-hybrid-hypermiles-goes-1-445-miles-on-a-single-tank/


1,445 miles on a tank of gas!  :cheers:

Yes, I'm shilling for Ford!

BTW, the cars from china, cheap metal + small size + lots of glass = Dead Driver when crashed!

I'll take my F-150 and spend the extra on the gas knowing that I will walk away from the crash and not be scooped up by the coroner at the scene!

When we get parts that were made in china, they automatically get sorted 2-3 times before we can use them. for every good part we use, we discard 2-3. Quality means nothing to the chinese, but quantity does!

Also check this out! Safety means nothing either!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxT-f-hb8Sg[/youtube]

Fordman

danny_galaga:

--- Quote from: TOK on June 03, 2009, 02:44:45 pm ---

The more mainstream hybrids get, the less "hybrid" they become. Pick up the newest Car & Driver and read their findings on the all new Prius. It is reported to be able to go a mile or more on battery power alone. Regardless of what Car & Driver did, they were unable to get it go to more than 100 feet without the gas engine kicking in.


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no disagreement with you there. thats why im so keen on PLUG IN hybrids.



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 What about states like California (hybrid/electric central) that already have rolling brownouts under the stress of their normal residential grid?
Talk about a car being stranded in a garage...


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remember my comment about ENRON chicanery?

LLUncoolJ:
One more point on the Metro, I do believe that car came out a year or 2 before the speed limit was raised to 65. I'm not sure it could get there. I had an 88 Samurai in college and it could barely get to 65 without a headwind. It was also made when the speed limit was 55mph. 76 cubic inches of fury, I used to say.

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