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danny_galaga:

--- Quote from: shardian on May 29, 2009, 11:24:56 am ---Plug-in-hybrids are not magically green. The hippies need to stop deluding themselves. Where the hell do they think that energy is coming from when they plug that thing in? Being 'green' really just boils down to people not wanting to be a direct 'end user' of pollution. It is still happening, but now it falls on those big, bad, mean, evil corporations that they can wave torches and pitchforks at. Oh, but that's okay - those mean corporate baddies can pass the buck too by buying carbon credits.
What an f'ing joke all around.

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Sigh. Weve gone over that bit before. You can get electricy from where ever (solar, hydro, coal, nuclear, natural gas), and at a much greater economy of scale than millions of individual petrol engines. Even if suddenly all cars somehow were powered by coal power stations, there would be less pollution in the air compared to the same number of cars with petrol engines.

More importantly, i like the idea of the plug in hybrid because its a real bridge between the past and the future. If suddenly you couldn't get petrol for your car, the cars we have right now are suddenly useless. But if you have a plug-in hybrid, you'll still be able to travel say 60 miles a day. Which means if suddenly overnight, if your pals in the middle east decide to jack up the price of crude, you can say 'meh, i just won't buy any petrol, i can still get to work'. So not only will you be using less fuel, it'll keep OPEC a little more honest, and we won't be hostage to their foibles any more.

One of the important components of the hybrid is the battery. BYD have been making the batteries in your laptops and phones for years. No one seems to mind buying them, whether or not they are belching out pollution...

I agree with you in general about the carbon credits thing. That seems to me to be chicanery on a scale vaster than Enrons sleights of hand...

shmokes:
Even if it was an exact wash on the pollution the electric car still has a lot going for it.  Why do you want to ---Cleveland steamer--- where you sleep, so to speak?  If I live in the city I would very much like to displace my pollution to an area less populated.  And who doesn't want to end our dependence on the Middle East for energy production?

RayB:

--- Quote from: danny_galaga on May 29, 2009, 07:11:22 pm ---One of the important components of the hybrid is the battery. BYD have been making the batteries in your laptops and phones for years. No one seems to mind buying them, whether or not they are belching out pollution...
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Those same ones that get recalled due to explosion risks? ;-)

TOK:

--- Quote from: danny_galaga on May 29, 2009, 07:11:22 pm ---One of the important components of the hybrid is the battery. BYD have been making the batteries in your laptops and phones for years. No one seems to mind buying them, whether or not they are belching out pollution...

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They aren't marketed with the "Saving The Planet" BS that hybrid cars are.
Just when hybrid cars get mainstream, 60 minutes will do an expose on nickel mining, and all the chicken littles will be swarming to the next make believe feel good technology.

danny_galaga:

--- Quote from: TOK on June 01, 2009, 08:18:13 pm ---
--- Quote from: danny_galaga on May 29, 2009, 07:11:22 pm ---One of the important components of the hybrid is the battery. BYD have been making the batteries in your laptops and phones for years. No one seems to mind buying them, whether or not they are belching out pollution...

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They aren't marketed with the "Saving The Planet" BS that hybrid cars are.
Just when hybrid cars get mainstream, 60 minutes will do an expose on nickel mining, and all the chicken littles will be swarming to the next make believe feel good technology.


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That's fine. Once the options are there, YOU can buy a petrol-only vehicle, and i'll buy a plug-in hybrid. Then I can 'feel good' driving it, while you can 'feel good' with it sitting in the garage when there's some problem with oil supply.

Lots of things use nickel already. What do they use in coins? Why do you think a 5 cent piece is called that?

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