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TOK:
Hyundai very nearly failed in the US market, and that was with cars using Mitsubishi engines.
They offered a 10 year 100,000 mile warranty to try to build faith in the cars, and that sold them to people who wanted cheap cars and were only willing to buy them with a good warranty.
The cars really didn't get good until the last 5 years or so.
Isuzu and Dihatsu both failed in the US market. China makes cars that are nowhere close in quality to either.
The way the market is now, the cars have to be great when they come here or they won't make it. Every Chinese car I've seen is like Yugo equivalent.
Low prices sell, but not in the absence of all quality, and definitely no sacrificing safety.
The safest Chinese cars do worse in crash tests than the worst cars currently sold in the US, even tiny cars like the Smart.
danny_galaga:
--- Quote from: boykster on April 07, 2009, 01:49:38 am ---
--- Quote from: shmokes on April 06, 2009, 09:22:28 am ---You're telling me that Asus and MSI and Gigabyte aren't designing their own motherboards? Lenovo isn't designing its own laptops (some of the best laptops in the world, for that matter)?
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Last time I checked, Taiwan isn't "China" as we know/think of China. Lenovo is a Chinese company, but MSI, Asus, and Gigabyte are Taiwanese.
Sure, mainland China would LOVE to claim Taiwan, and yes, Taiwan is also known as Republic of China, but Taiwan is more like S. Korea when it comes to their quality and manufacturing.
I'm guessing it will be about a decade before we see any autos from China being comparable to what is on the road RIGHT NOW. That's how it was with the Koreans - one review of a Hyundai Sonata back in the early 90's read that the Sonata was a comparable to a Toyota Corrolla - from 1982. It took Hyundai a good solid decade before their cars caught up.
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point is, you DID see korean cars in the US in the early 90's. there is no doubt in my mind you are going to have Chinese cars there very soon. They won't just sit around thinking 'oh, these aren't as good as such and such'. They'll make 'em, and learn and grow, like any other company. Hell, even Malaysia and Thailand are making cars now. I don't see why it's so hard to accept that China will be selling you cars. It's not cutting edge technology to build a car. The Chinese cars may have lower safety standards. That's because the CHINESE have lower safety standards. They will meet the requirements for export. I actually see this with Japanese cars would you believe. Some of the crap grey Jap imports we get into Australia were meant to go to less discerning countries. I've seen Toyota vans that would fail a crash test if hit by a bicycle...
TOK:
Danny, would you consider Fiat, Peugeot and Alfa Romeo larger automotive players than Cherry?
Those brands all failed in the US market and don't sell here anymore (except in some shared low-end GM platforms, not complete cars). The Aussie market Monaro (GTO) lasted like 3 years here before being sent packing.
The Commodore (G8) seems to be well on its way to failing too. I'll be sorry to see that one go, I really like it.
The same thing could easily happen to any Chinese brand. So far, they're worse by an order of magnitude than every brand that has failed here. The US market is much more demanding than the world market.
Safety is a huge issue here, and people don't consider something unreliable a "value" regardless of how cheap it is. Nissan is selling a version of the Versa for under 10,000. That satisfies the cheapskate market and will still go 150,000 miles.
ChadTower:
--- Quote from: TOK on April 08, 2009, 06:01:05 am ---Danny, would you consider Fiat, Peugeot and Alfa Romeo larger automotive players than Cherry?
Those brands all failed in the US market and don't sell here anymore (except in some shared low-end GM platforms, not complete cars). The Aussie market Monaro (GTO) lasted like 3 years here before being sent packing.
The Commodore (G8) seems to be well on its way to failing too. I'll be sorry to see that one go, I really like it.
The same thing could easily happen to any Chinese brand. So far, they're worse by an order of magnitude than every brand that has failed here. The US market is much more demanding than the world market.
Safety is a huge issue here, and people don't consider something unreliable a "value" regardless of how cheap it is. Nissan is selling a version of the Versa for under 10,000. That satisfies the cheapskate market and will still go 150,000 miles.
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Alpha Romeo failed because rather than try to sell regular cars they tried to outFerarri Ferarri with a car half as good. Fail.
Fiat and Peugeot failed because no one here will buy something with a French name on it. You couldn't get a $25 hooker into a Fiat. Don't forget Renault - they actually put "Le Car" on their cars and expected to sell them in the US. :laugh2:
Hoopz:
REDUCE THAT RESOLUTION NOOB!!!
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