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ChurchOfSolipsism:
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--- Quote from: ChurchOfSolipsism on April 06, 2009, 03:09:33 pm ---Well, Nile is the only real Death Metal I listen to occasionally. I love fast technical music so why stop at DM when you can listen to good grindcore and noisegrind? One of the most excellent bands on planet Earth are The Kill fom Australia:
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<sigh> As I've mentioned before, this whole 'technical' idea of pop culture's is about as substantive as the music it's meant to describe. Certainly playing quickly, with a lot of notes, is not remarkable. And it doesn't matter if it's some rock or metal 'shredder' or 'grind core'. It's the same ridiculousness.
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Not entirely sure I got you what you were trying to say, but your posts come across as pretty arrogant. Quick and refined riffs are remarkable in themselves insofar as listening to this kind of music makes for quite an interesting abstract pleasure and besides, pushing the envelope is always a good thing. Of course, everyone who knows anything about music knows that technicality alone doesn't make a good song, but at least for DM and grindcore it's indispensable IMHO. Mind you, in my opinion; there's lots of people around that thoroughly enjoy the "three chords and a d-beat/ blast beat"-variety of grindcore & metal, and although I can't stand that boring ---Cleveland steamer--- I absolutely fail to see why it should be condemned just for its simplicity. In the same way, saying that playing as fast and as technical as possible is ridiculous is a ridiculous statement in itself.
Also, I'm having trouble taking your remarks about why it's super-important to keep DM and heavy metal and grindcore apart seriously. Who the hell cares what you call it as long as everyone knows what you're talking about? All that lecturing people about what is DM and what isn't accomplishes is to make you look like a nerd and a know-it-all.
I'd prefer it if we didn't have to have these kinds of theoretical/ "I know more about ---Cleveland steamer--- than you do"- discussions in a thread that's supposed to allow people to share the music they love. I certainly did not post the above video to impress people (you can't hear much of the riffs anyway, but if you're into "brutal" music, you have to admit the vocalist and the drummer absolutely slay) with my music listening skillz; indeed, I hoped that maybe there would be one or two people that would check out The Kill because they liked what they saw.
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--- Quote from: Ummon on April 06, 2009, 07:14:15 pm ---
Nile is similar but since they scoop the mids so heavily it doesn't really matter what they're playing. You can't hear it. Whereas at least with Necrophagist, you can hear everything.
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Do you mean when they play live? Because I can tell apart every single note on their albums. If I were a little quicker on the guitar I wouldn't have any problem at all tabbing their songs.
Necroticart:
While I personally don't care for The Kill you might want to check out the band Emperor if you don't know about them already their last album Prometheus The Discipline of Fire & Demise was technically one of the best albums I have ever listened to I'm glad I got to see them live.
ChurchOfSolipsism:
--- Quote from: Necroticart on April 08, 2009, 12:15:15 am ---While I personally don't care for The Kill you might want to check out the band Emperor if you don't know about them already their last album Prometheus The Discipline of Fire & Demise was technically one of the best albums I have ever listened to I'm glad I got to see them live.
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Cheers for the tip. Unfortunately, I'm not too much into BM (very often, BM bands exemplify everything that's ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- about metal, i.e. trying way too hard to be grim and kvlt & taking itself so seriously, sterile production etc.), but I gotta admit Emperor has some cool harmonies. All in all not really my cup of tea though... not enough blast beats for my liking ::)
Ummon:
--- Quote from: ChurchOfSolipsism on April 07, 2009, 03:51:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: Ummon on April 06, 2009, 07:14:15 pm ---
Nile is similar but since they scoop the mids so heavily it doesn't really matter what they're playing. You can't hear it. Whereas at least with Necrophagist, you can hear everything.
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Do you mean when they play live? Because I can tell apart every single note on their albums. If I were a little quicker on the guitar I wouldn't have any problem at all tabbing their songs.
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Not any recording I've heard, and the severe majority have been studio recordings. Kinda like the early CC and Morbid Angel. Couldn't understand dick. Maybe you're listening on a system with little bass response, and at speaking levels?.....although loud or quiet, I couldn't discern anything. That's what happens when you scoop the mids.
--- Quote from: ChurchOfSolipsism on April 07, 2009, 03:51:11 pm ---
I'd prefer it if we didn't have to have these kinds of theoretical/ "I know more about ---Cleveland steamer--- than you do"- discussions in a thread that's supposed to allow people to share the music they love. I certainly did not post the above video to impress people (you can't hear much of the riffs anyway, but if you're into "brutal" music, you have to admit the vocalist and the drummer absolutely slay) with my music listening skillz; indeed, I hoped that maybe there would be one or two people that would check out The Kill because they liked what they saw.
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At risk of further perpetrating, I suggest you be careful when using the term 'listening skills'. Further, definitions and boundary conditions are useful in knowing what things actually are, vs what they mean only to you. In particular regard to your statements above, that's recursive, mind.
ChurchOfSolipsism:
--- Quote from: Ummon on April 08, 2009, 07:18:18 pm ---
--- Quote from: ChurchOfSolipsism on April 07, 2009, 03:51:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: Ummon on April 06, 2009, 07:14:15 pm ---
Nile is similar but since they scoop the mids so heavily it doesn't really matter what they're playing. You can't hear it. Whereas at least with Necrophagist, you can hear everything.
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Do you mean when they play live? Because I can tell apart every single note on their albums. If I were a little quicker on the guitar I wouldn't have any problem at all tabbing their songs.
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Not any recording I've heard, and the severe majority have been studio recordings. Kinda like the early CC and Morbid Angel. Couldn't understand dick. Maybe you're listening on a system with little bass response, and at speaking levels?.....although loud or quiet, I couldn't discern anything. That's what happens when you scoop the mids.
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Well we'll just have to agree to disagree here. I have pretty much everything Nile has released on vinyl and on CD and I have listened to the stuff on many different stereos, loud, quiet, didn't matter, I never had any problem hearing exactly what they play. Haven't seen them live yet, friend of mine (he plays drums) saw them and said everything had been very crisp and clear. Anyways I'm used to the stuff that grind bands release, which mostly sucks sound-wise, so Nile has always been the most polished and clear noisy music I've listened to.
--- Quote from: Ummon on April 08, 2009, 07:18:18 pm ---
I suggest you be careful when using the term 'listening skills'. Further, definitions and boundary conditions are useful in knowing what things actually are, vs what they mean only to you. In particular regard to your statements above, that's recursive, mind.
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Is there anything I should know about the expression "listening skills" (plz note: English is not my first language & I couldn't think of any other way to express what I was trying to express. Still probably not something a native speaker would say, but in my defense I have to say that I used quotation marks for that very reason...), the way you make it sound it feels like I inadvertently said something misogynistic or something....
As for the rest, I just can't help remarking that from a linguistic perspective (yeah I know I sound pompous here) the notion that there is a direct connection between words/ definitions is at best problematic. Words & categories don't have any existence in themselves; they "mean" what everyone agrees about.
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