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wboy:
Melbourne, VIC

wrx2hot4u:
Whats the deal with people selling J-Pac's and other Ultimarc products on ebay?
It just go's to show some people will do anything to make a quick buck! In my opinion people that buy stuff from Ultimarc for cheap and then re sell it for an over inflated amount are just d*cks!

The whole principle behind Mame is "FREE" or "Hobbie" not "Lets rip off people who dont know much about a hobbie there just getting into"!!!. And then the seller acutually hyper links to www.ultimarc.com??? Thats almost as good as this guy who was selling plans for MAME cabs on ebay then hyperlink to another persons site. People will say to me "But if people are stupid enough thats there prob", well that not the point nor the pricipal of it!

Im now think of putting J-Pacs on ebay for "COST PRICE" just to prove a point. Then people might realise what there really worth, or if people email me I will advise them of the cheapest and most cost affective alternative. I dont care if this post comes under fire I have a right to my opinion and I want everyone to be able to enjoy old school gaming with worrying about getting ripped off. I know my self as Im sure a lot of people do how bad it feels when you buy something and then later get told youve been ripped off.

wboy:
Did you ever stop and think that if the seller included the original sites URL, that it might be legit sale with no intent to make quick cash?

If the buyer is stupid enough to pay more than they would if they purchased a new one from the site, well then good luck to the seller.  Laziness has cost the buyer.  Nothing new here.  Do you should around for the best price on computer assessories, or do you buy the RRP harvey norman price?  Or make them price match for that matter.

I've know of JAMMA harnesses that sell for $30 on a local site, which wen't for $60+ dollars on ebay auctions.

What to make of this?  Well, the site should set them self up as a ebay trader, it is seems to be a better tool to allow people to find and buy your product, be it at the buy-it-now price of $30 or not.  Sellers choice I guess.

microwrx:
That might be fine for something else but MAME is a hobby, not a commercial business.  It, like this web site, is all about helping people out in an effort to share in the experiences we once had as kids and keep the old games alive.

Now people like Andy Warne and Randy T have gone to alot of trouble to develop products to make doing all this much easier for us and I believe as comercial entities they are quite entitled to make a buck off it.  Neither do I have an issue with someone who sells a J-PAC or the like on eBay because they bought 1 too many or don't need it anymore.

However, this person has obviously bought a whole load of stuff from Andy and is selling them, one at a time, for profit...blatantly in my opinion.  And as far as I'm concerned that is just not in the spirit of this hobby.  If they were not out to make a quick buck then they'd stick a buy it now price on the auctions that was $5 or maybe $10 over what it cost them to get them here but that isn't the case is it.  I wonder if they are also burning copies of Andy's CD to go with them as well or selling them with no documentation at all (you get one CD from Andy regardless how many items you buy).

Just because there are stupid people out there doesn't mean it isn't wrong to prey on them (regardless of the legality).

And anyone with half a brain knows the difference between buying from somewhere like Harvey Norman and an online computer place is convenience.  I can go down to my local Harvey Norman, pay for something and take it home.  I pay more because they are there, I can physically go in and check stuff out and take it home after making my decision.  With online places I save the money at the price of less convenience and having to wait (although sometimes not very long).  The online store has less overheads so can afford to sell cheaper.

If you could buy a J-PAC in Harvey Norman then buying at that price is fine.  But this person offers no such benefit, in fact little benefit at all as regardless who you buy off you still have to wait.

You are entitled to your opinion just as we are entitled to ours! :)

wboy:
Yes, MAME is about preserving old games before the original hardware dies out of existence, but  not officially about allowing you to share memories past.  If that was the case, the roms would be free for you use.  Consider it more as an "no one really cares but it is still technically illegal" nicety of MAME.

If you are true arcade hobbyist, well then I am sure you own some old PCBs? or maybe not... they are still available at reasonable prices if you look hard enough.... thats if you really interested to that degree...  Maybe you already are, and good if so... because I am... I own a several boards... one which cost me a lot of do$h at the time.   But I don't regret it, as its still not emulated... and may never be due to heavy protection...

Oh and sorry, but when I did I mention online store in my original post?  I can pick up a local computer trader magazine, walk in to a local store and pick up a product upto a 1/4 of the price cheaper than a big retail store.  Okay, they'll probably give me a hard time if I need/want to return/replace it, but hey, for that amount of money I'll take the risk.  Or alternatively, like I have before, walk in to OfficeWorks, show them the adverts of the competiting store up the road, and whammo, after a phone call to check that shop has it in stock, that printer was mine for the same, heavily discounted price.

And back to the main argument just to end, again.... what can you do about .... nothing...  so why waste time caring about what stupid people buy things at stupid prices.  Sad thing is, you probably care more than Andy etc.  I sure he is doing quite well... and good luck to him if he is.

In theory, you can look at it in a way that Andy (and others) are pocketing good money with good products that easily enhance the MAME experience.  So do they donate to MAME dev or ROM dumping teams with a percentage of there product earings?  They have created there success from a "non-commercial" hobby that is MAME, running a very commerical business.

Hope they do, that is if they are doing well from it all....  but thats there choice either way and I'm fine with that.

Anyway, lets just leave it at that.... I see your point...  I was just kind of expressing the reality of it.... and they fact that overall, its probably so insignificant that we should be enjoying games on MAME rather than worring about it.   I'm sure Andys not loosing sleep over it....  but I am.... as it late.... as I write this.... time for bed.

Play nice... ;D

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