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Black Hawk Down...um, what?
Ummon:
When BHD real events were happening, I was almost out of the service. So, no, I don't think so. In fact, it seems to appeal to those who were too young to be in, but were inundated with it via the media and anything else social and familial, who think it's something worthwhile.
Further, the relevance comment is the subjective part. There's an interesting aspect about 'history'. It tells you about where you came from (to some degree anyway) and shows you some things you might do, and others you might not. Not that I think it's totally necessary, mind. There are tools that transcend culture....but one must be inclined to discover them....and most are not. Regardless, if one is TELLING A STORY, then there's a certain obligation to the form....or, rather, certain conditions by which one does or can.
Dartful Dodger:
--- Quote from: Ummon on March 05, 2009, 06:21:38 pm ---When BHD real events were happening, I was almost out of the service. So, no, I don't think so. In fact, it seems to appeal to those who were too young to be in, but were inundated with it via the media and anything else social and familial, who think it's something worthwhile.
Further, the relevance comment is the subjective part.
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I think the subjective part is a person's opinion of the overall the movie.
The relevance just guides their opinion.
Maybe it appeals to those who were too young to understand it, because they were just watching it for the entertainment value.
I don't think the movie mentions the president by name, so to them it's like any other war movie where a fictional president gets caught up in the politics of a situation and soldiers are left to fend for themselves.
patrickl:
What does Clinton have to do with the movie? I saw a documentary about a raid on Faluja and it was exactly the same type of stuff. Soldiers are always fending for themselves.
Lol it really does sound like the only reason you like the movie is because you hate Clinton. Why though? You blame him for that helicopter being shot down? Or for Bush sr sending US troops to Somalia? Or do you blame Clinton for Bush listenening to the UN to send in troops? Or do you blame Clinton for trying to take out Aideed (to try and end the conflict).
The only serious blame I can come up with is that the retreat made the US look weak, but that has no bearing on "Black Hawk Down". It's a result that came afterwards. I'd say it makes sense for Clinton to saying "---fudgesicle--- this! Let the Somali's rot in their own misery if they don't want our help" after that incident. Killing a thousand Somali in an effort to resuce the downed airmen had made accepting US help impossible anyway.
TOK:
--- Quote from: patrickl on March 06, 2009, 03:45:23 am ---What does Clinton have to do with the movie? I saw a documentary about a raid on Faluja and it was exactly the same type of stuff. Soldiers are always fending for themselves.
Lol it really does sound like the only reason you like the movie is because you hate Clinton. Why though? You blame him for that helicopter being shot down? Or for Bush sr sending US troops to Somalia? Or do you blame Clinton for Bush listenening to the UN to send in troops? Or do you blame Clinton for trying to take out Aideed (to try and end the conflict).
The only serious blame I can come up with is that the retreat made the US look weak, but that has no bearing on "Black Hawk Down". It's a result that came afterwards. I'd say it makes sense for Clinton to saying "---fudgesicle--- this! Let the Somali's rot in their own misery if they don't want our help" after that incident. Killing a thousand Somali in an effort to resuce the downed airmen had made accepting US help impossible anyway.
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Take this crap to P&R.
shmokes:
--- Quote from: ChadTower on March 05, 2009, 02:22:58 pm ---
I'm still trying to figure out who the beloved Lyndon B Johnson is!
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Obviously it goes without saying that the adjective applied only to JFK ;D
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