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shmokes:

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--- Quote from: shmokes on March 03, 2009, 06:08:01 pm --- BTW, Roman Polanski couldn't accept his Oscar for the film cos he had a little trouble with allegedly having sex with a 13-year-old like 30-years ago.  He fled the country and has never been back.

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Allegedly??? He confessed to drugging and raping a 13 year old and has been convicted - done deal.  He fled when he thought the judge would send him to jail rather than let him off for time served.  

Different strokes for different folks but I found The Pianist rather tiresome.  Around the part where they threw the grandfather out the window, I was more or less done.




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He was accused of, and charged with drugging and raping a 13-year-old girl.  He plead down to unlawful intercourse with a minor.  Imagine what lies ahead of you if the state has decided to try and prove to a jury that you raped a 13-year-old girl and see if you can't think of any reason aside from guilt that a person might be inclined to make a plea agreement.  I ain't saying he didn't do it.  I haven't the slightest idea.  But I suspect neither have you.  Correct me if I'm wrong.  I was born in 1978, so it's not like I actually remember any of this.  But I don't think he ever actually admitted to anything in any meaningful way.

Dartful Dodger:

--- Quote from: shmokes on March 03, 2009, 11:04:00 pm ---The problem is that it is an action/war movie.  And it's a bad one.  It is a dramatization of true events (aka just like pretty much every war movie ever made).  Every line of dialogue is invented by a writer.  And every line is delivered by Hollywood movie stars.  It's a Hollywood picture based on a true story.  It's just not a very good one.

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If you're interested in the story and you want to see it played out you'll like these stories.

Hotel Rwanda is a drama based on true events.  One group of people kill off another group of people while another group of people ignore it.

As a story it seems ridiculous and it shouldn't have happened.

Some people want to learn from these mistakes and not let it happen again, so they liked that movie.



Most ("the good") war movies that are based on true stories follow the usual good guys are overcoming bad guys.  It's a simple formula that everyone can get behind.

Black Hawk Down is about an American president caring more for how he looks to the UN then the safety of American troops.

As a story it seems ridiculous and it shouldn't have happened.

Some people want to ignore Clinton's mistakes, so they hated the movie.

shmokes:
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Dartful, your argument just doesn't hold up.  Hotel Rwanda is in my list of good war movies.  What your argument boils down to is that it would be impossible to make a bad film about those attacks in Somalia.  I'm sure that when framed like that even you see how absurd that position is.

Take Pearl Harbor, for example.  Are you telling me that if a person wants to learn from those mistakes and not let that attrocity happen again he is going to enjoy Michael Bay's piece of ---Cleveland steamer--- of a movie?  That's ridiculous. 

Look at the very first entry on my list of good war movies.  Das Boot.  One of the best movies ever made.  Now notice the absence on the list of U-571.  That's no accident.  Now how can I possibly think that Das Boot is one of the best movies ever made while U-571 is lame?  They're both war movies that revolve around a particular German U-boat . . .

Maybe it's cos in spite of the interesting subject matter, the movie sucked.  Hmm . . . like Black Hawk Down.

shardian:
Even though there isn't alot of "war" scenes, Pan's Labyrinth struck a strong chord with me on the human/civil war side of the plot.

massive88:

--- Quote from: Kevin Mullins on March 03, 2009, 08:28:42 pm ---Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but dang, at least distinguish the difference between a "movie" and something that actually happened.

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So, the one that was shot in a controlled environment, using actors, scripts, special effects, and was distributed in movie theaters and on DVD/Bluray, was that one a movie or did it actually happen?

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