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patrickl:

--- Quote from: boykster on February 08, 2009, 02:48:25 am ---I'm probably one of the dozen or so peeps in teh world, but I like Vista...... :dunno

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I'm perfectly happy with Vista too. Actually I think it's just a few early adopters and general MS hate in some people that keeps perpetuating the Vista sux nonsense.

But then I rarely install another OS on my computers (other than the one that came with it) and if I do, I wait at least for service pack 1 (or even 2).

shmokes:
If there's one thing that proves that Vista sucks, it's Windows 7.  Vista is like a Hummer.  It has some cool features, but it is horribly inefficient and gets like 10 MPG.  :)  You might argue that it's just so advanced that it has to have outrageous system requirements to run well.  The Windows 7 comes along and shows you that, no, Vista was just a sloppy mess.  And in terms of usability, Vista is a fail compared to OS X.

patrickl:
Are you basing that on actual facts or just a gut feeling? Or maybe that you are comparing a clean Windows 7 install with a bogged down Vista install? Or just that it runs  better on old hardware?

I have seen benchmarks of the service packs of Vista vs Win XP and IIRC there was really no performance difference to speak of.

I don't like these shiney, see through, animated hippy interface things though. The first thing I do is switch back to the Classic Windows interface. My computers all still look like they are running Win 95 :P So I might be missing out on a lot of cool features.

ark_ader:

--- Quote from: shmokes on February 07, 2009, 11:20:58 pm ---Not working for MS.  If I was I certainly wouldn't be pointing out that much of the new functionality is copped from Mac OS X. 

ark_ader, you sound like a geek.  The one thing that Apple has always had on MS is that Apple's UI's (and hardware) are designed by designers, while MS's are made by geeks.  I went into great deal about how amazing the new user interface is and you respond with stability, security and file transfer speed.  Geeks don't care as much about user interfaces cos they just learn how everything works and they make it work for them.  Maybe they get around clunky interfaces by memorizing keyboard commands.  Maybe they figure out how to bypass obnoxious quirks by doing things at the command line.  But that's a dumb way to think.  In addition to everything I mentioned already, Windows 7 still has a command line interface.  And it has greatly expanded the gamut of keyboard commands available, e.g., win+shift+right/left-arrow will jump your application from one monitor to the other (if you have multiple monitors), even if the app is maximized.  Way cool!  You're an advanced network guy who's worked with Novell, so surely you've seen how dangerous it is to ignore the importance of user interface even when 100% of your target market consists of professional computer geeks.

Now, don't get me wrong, stability and security and file transfer are important.  In fact, I mentioned that it's very stable (especially considering it's beta software).  And I mentioned that it's much leaner and faster than Vista.  Obviously that's important.  And without that stuff, the user interface is for naught.   

BTW . . . I can't help but get a gigantic kick out of this:


--- Quote from: ark_ader on February 07, 2009, 09:39:28 pm ---
Is Shmokes working for M$ now?

. . . I cannot say it is a XP killer . . . I will stick with XP for functionality . . .


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Are you aware that M$ makes Windows XP?   ;D

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Duh.  M$ is trying to kill off XP thus my comment. 

But if my comments makes you giggle then, then I am happy it made your day!  :cheers:

AtomSmasher:

--- Quote from: patrickl on February 08, 2009, 09:23:08 am ---Are you basing that on actual facts or just a gut feeling? Or maybe that you are comparing a clean Windows 7 install with a bogged down Vista install? Or just that it runs  better on old hardware?

I have seen benchmarks of the service packs of Vista vs Win XP and IIRC there was really no performance difference to speak of.

I don't like these shiney, see through, animated hippy interface things though. The first thing I do is switch back to the Classic Windows interface. My computers all still look like they are running Win 95 :P So I might be missing out on a lot of cool features.

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I believe he's basing it on being able to run windows 7 on slower machines.  However, the benchmarks I've seen on higher end machines so far show 7 run about equal to Vista and XP (they're all faster on some tests and slower on others, but overall they're about equal).  Of course windows 7 is still in beta, so it may be faster then Vista in every test by the time it ships, but we'll have to wait and see.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/windows_7_gaming_performance/

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