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danny_galaga:

--- Quote from: SavannahLion on January 25, 2009, 02:27:34 pm ---
We need to be more aware of the actual costs associated with raw materials and recycling. It's cheaper (as in energy) to mine for raw aluminum than it is to recycle it. 


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are you for real? you do know that to make aluminium, you need this huge electric arc smelter to make it? huge amount of power. to recycle it, you just have to melt it...

AtomSmasher:

--- Quote from: pinballjim on January 25, 2009, 07:31:59 pm ---1 - Aluminum is the only resource it makes any financial sense to recycle.

2 - There will never be a majority of alternative fuel vehicles in our lifetimes.  Gas is powerful (and it does evaporate at room temperature if it's not contained, petrol people), SUPER CHEAP, and readily available.  Disregard everything you've heard about low world reserves of oil.  It's all bunk, the only thing that keeps us from going after it is that it's cheaper to get it elsewhere. 

Nothing is ever going to touch it in suitability for its application unless someone invents magic dust that will work in regular cars, can be transported on our existing infrastructure, and can be produced for 5 cents a gallon.


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I completely agree with you, although I do think natural gas has the best chance of making a significant dent in automobile use.  The infrastructure is already in place to transport it around the country, and stations to refill your car are popping up all over the place (in California at least).  The nice thing about compressed natural gas is that you can refill your car every night at home (like electric), can refill the tank in a couple minutes from a gas station (unlike electric), there is no giant battery to worry about replacing (unlike electric and hybrids), costs less then $2 a gallon, and even allows you to drive in the carpool lane :) (a perk hybrid vehicles got for a while).

pinballwizard79:
Yeah I bet natural gas is the next step, its plentiful & easy to transport.

I remember some rumors of HEFTY tax credits to consumers for this: http://www.myphill.com/

I think its like $7,500.00 & after the tax credits its half of that.

Pricey buy-in plus the cost of a propane car & limited stations away from home are keeping this from booming but as time goes on..........................who knows.

pinballwizard79:
also: http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-gx/

I read somewhere its range is 250 miles..............pretty good if that's the case.

350 miles would be perfect however, then I wouldn't even need propane stations (my job = travel daily, sometimes its 20miles, other times 300+miles)

Ummon:
It might help if Tesla's documents were made publicly accessible. Really, the issue is the combination of human nature (the urge to procreate) and world economic ideology (which is based in consumption). Grok this, then figure out your place in things, then figure some kind of alternative and plot a course to it.

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