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CheffoJeffo:
I like Apple stuff.

I haven't bought an Apple computer in years, for various reasons.

Initially, I couldn't do what I wanted/needed to do on a Mac. Now, it is more about price -- I can get more bang for the buck and I get solid performance, even using Vista. That may not be true for everybody, but I haven't had an issue with XP, Vista or Vista64.

I think Level42 needs to look into getting some AV software -- there have been a number of worms for OS X and there have been some interesting security flaws. Also, before we give Apple credit for the "too safe" inner workings of OS X, let's remember where the guts of OS X came from (along with some of the aforementioned security flaws).

The iPhone was not Apple's first foray into phones. That was the Motorola ROKR and wasn't exactly an outstanding effort.

I still like Apple stuff.

If I had cash to burn, I would buy a couple of nice Mac Pros (after buying the SW cockpit and Major Havoc, of course). If I didn't prefer my Bold, I would get an iPhone.

We also should remember that Apple has had it's share of less-than-stellar products --  ROKR, Newton, Lisa, Pippin, Cube, Taligent, the thing they did with AOL, AppleTV.

Apple does innovate and has had some cool products recently, but they are hardly the tech deity that people seem to believe they are.

 :cheers:

Dartful Dodger:

--- Quote from: Level42 on January 09, 2009, 05:54:28 pm ---Dartful: Tell me, if you'd run Vista on the PC you had bought two years before it was released, how would it run ?
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The problem isn't running newer OSs on older machines, the problem is when Mac releases a new OS the old one can only run old software.

I am currently using Windows XP Professional 2002 with the latest Adobe bundle.

Mac's now using animal names so Mac users won't realize a 0.1 OS upgrade just rendered their computer useless.

ChadTower:

--- Quote from: Level42 on January 09, 2009, 05:54:28 pm ---So, you're wrong. The reason why there are no virusses for OS X is that it's simply constructed too safe to get a virus to work.
Compare that to 1 million virusses for the PC platform.

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Bro, I was staying out of this, because personally I could give a crap about one OS vs the next.  I have to use them all in my line of work.  As a professional software engineer, though, I had to comment on this.  It's crap.  There is nothing inherently secure about OS X in regard to Windows.  It's sitting behind the same average consumer firewalls.  It is running on the same basic physical architecture.  It is running on the same type of physical resources.  It is prone to the exact same style of self replicating binaries that all desktop based operating systems are.  The only real difference is level of integration between the OS and the mail and web clients.  Windows is a little bit easier to get a virus into... but other than that the basic vulnerability of the OS itself is pretty much the same.  Any competent developer could write a nasty virus for OS X with a little bit of penetration research.

Level42:
....and yet no-one has succeeded in creating one.

CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: Level42 on January 10, 2009, 05:36:17 pm ---....and yet no-one has succeeded in creating one.

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One what ? A worm for OS X ? There have been a number. Nothing earth shattering, but they exist.

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