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Trip:

--- Quote from: Nephasth on September 13, 2012, 12:31:13 pm ---
--- Quote from: Vigo on September 07, 2012, 12:57:20 pm ---Bottom line, Being player 3 or 4 sucks no matter how it is orientated.  :lol

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Not on the Beast. ;)

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You cheated, LOL
Vigo:

--- Quote from: Nephasth on September 13, 2012, 12:31:13 pm ---
--- Quote from: Vigo on September 07, 2012, 12:57:20 pm ---Bottom line, Being player 3 or 4 sucks no matter how it is orientated.  :lol

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Not on the Beast. ;)

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Can't argue that one.  :cheers:
Nephasth:

--- Quote from: Trip on September 13, 2012, 12:37:29 pm ---You cheated, LOL

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 :lol


--- Quote from: Vigo on September 13, 2012, 12:42:16 pm ---
--- Quote from: Nephasth on September 13, 2012, 12:31:13 pm ---
--- Quote from: Vigo on September 07, 2012, 12:57:20 pm ---Bottom line, Being player 3 or 4 sucks no matter how it is orientated.  :lol

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Not on the Beast. ;)

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Can't argue that one.  :cheers:

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Sucks though... I can't get the true Virtua Fighter experience on the Beast... :'(
 :laugh2:
DarthMarino:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on September 13, 2012, 12:50:49 pm ---While the cabinet may have angles sides... it does not mean that the actual sticks are angled.

 To know that for sure, you would have to see the underside of the control panel (unless the bolts are showing)
... and also to double check it against the games manual.

 As said, there were many conversion games, in which someone changed the stick orientation, or left it that
way from a previous game.

 And also, its about the kind of game you are playing.  Certain games are not as 'direction critical' as others.. and
many of them tend to play slow as well.   Some of these may have also had 4 ways in there too... which eliminates the
diagonals issues.

 Furthermore, if you list all the games that had the sticks oriented square to the monitor... that list will be like 50 to 1  over the 'true' angled sticked cabs.

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All games on the list I made have the bolts showing.  I checked multiple sources for all of them. If I couldn't tell, I didn't list it.  There were dozens of games that I couldn't find a clear picture at all. I can certainly assure you that the radio would be nowhere near 50 to 1.  It's probably around 10:1. Although not the most definitive or complete list, KLOV shows 250 3-4 player games and this includes a bunch of racing games, split monitor games and gun games, none of which would quality for this argument. There is no doubt that non-angled sticks for the side players outnumber the angled but there seems to be a consensus around here that Virtua Fighter (which I didn't even put on my list) and Captain America are literally the only commercially produced games with angling. This is simply not true.
paigeoliver:
Ok, lets look at this list of supposed hard evidence for the correctness and awesomeness of angling player 3 and 4. Fully 50 percent of the examples are 3 player titles that had angled joysticks for the sole purpose of getting 3 sets of arms onto a control panel only big enough for 2 people. 1 wasn't angled in the first place. The other 4 all bombed. Great examples.

WWF Wrestlefest - Not angled.
King of the Dragons - Not a 4 player game.
Desert Assault - Yep, slight angle on a Data East title that bombed.
Violent Storm - Not 4 players, not available as a dedicated game as far as I can tell.
Captain America & the Avengers - Yep, another slight angle on another Data East bomb.
NBA Jam Extreme - Yep, slight angle on the game that killed the series.
Hard Yardage - Yep, another bomb with a slight angle.
Pit Fighter - Not a 4 player game.
Combatribes - Not a 4 player game. Picture on klov is a bad 3 player conversion stuffed into a 2 player machine.
Xenophobe - Not a 4 player game.



--- Quote from: DarthMarino on September 13, 2012, 11:55:41 am ---Since this topic seems to come up often around here, I've been paying attention to stick angling on original machines.  Sometimes it's hard to tell if the layouts are truly originals or someone recreating a machine or doing a conversion.  I've seen pictures of Open Ice and Rampage: World Tour machines with angled sticks yet it seems the actual originals were not angled. As far as I can tell, these machines did indeed use angled sticks for the outside players:

WWF Wrestlefest
King of the Dragons
Desert Assault
Violent Storm
Captain America & the Avengers
NBA Jam Extreme
Hard Yardage
Pit Fighter
Combatribes
Xenophobe

Since there are so many 3 and 4 player cabs that I can't even find pictures of, I'm sure this list should be much larger.  The Smash TV argument is a pretty good reason not to angle your sticks but I honestly think the whole myth about no commercial cabinets angling the outer sticks is pretty silly.

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