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u_rebelscum:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on December 09, 2008, 05:44:35 pm ---
 When you are playing a game... you are thinking about the game... and not the
joystick.   When you are supposed to react immediately to a situation,  for example...
pressing Up to escape a bullet...  Your brain will think up is upwards... towards the
monitor.   Does not matter that you are standing at an angle... your brain still will think
in relation to the on-screen direction needed.

--- End quote ---

Not me. 

In order to consistently use the outside player sticks without messups, I would have to physically orient my body so away from me was up on the screen, crowding the middle players.  I knew a few friends who were the same of needing to orient the body back in the day (the ones I still have contact with don't play anymore AFAIK).  I found that top view games had a less problems for me, but side view and 3/4 view games sucked pretty bad, and left or right messed up more than up or down.  Left & right is and always will be sideways relative to my body, the easiest movement possible with elbow acting as pivot point.  And the time-critical moments are when I messed up the most often.  But that's me, others differ.

Of course, when I tried building my own with angled joysticks, I couldn't consistently use them without messups, either.  (My up & down seem to be more screen oriented, as xiaou2 describes) :( 

Thus my current solution of non-angled CPs, or play only the middle players.  (My prior solution was to half rotate the sticks, but that's doesn't work very well.)
brandon:

 FTW :applaud:
angryred:

--- Quote from: web.geek on December 08, 2008, 05:12:44 pm ---Here comes another holy war ;D

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--- Quote from: ahofle on December 08, 2008, 05:16:17 pm ---Yes, this is a common 'holy war', but the fact is...

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--- Quote from: DaveMMR on December 08, 2008, 08:20:15 pm ---Holy War?  Charge!
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...Oops. ...Heh.


--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on December 08, 2008, 09:09:15 pm ---For those who choose to angle their sticks, I have one thing to say ... SmashTV.

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Yes, that's convincing. And Karate Champ.  And others I'm sure I won't think of 'til I try to play them with angled sticks. It's a fairly simple matter in MAME to reconfigure diagonals if that feels better for someone in particular; and even though my panel is designed for players 3 and 4 to approach at 45 degree angles, it's probably better for me to keep them straight for the 2 player dual joystick games, as those will most likely get more play.

Anyway, didn't mean to start a fire. ;)  Thanks for the advice and information.  I was going to go with angled, but I see now a lot more reasons to keep them straight, at the very least as far as what-games-will-get-played-most is concerned. Thanks.
NoOne=NBA=:

--- Quote from: nailsn on December 09, 2008, 07:02:28 am ---You can still play smash tv or the any other two-joystick game in 2 Player Mode if you have your 3rd and 4th joysticks in a 45° angled position. In this case you just have to remap the diagonal directions to the normal ones for this particular game in mame. (Of course this only works with a mame cab)

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That doesn't work.
You won't be able to shoot at the diagonals that way.

You can map UP=Up&Right and RIGHT=Right&Down, but that won't let you shoot to the upper right by hitting Right only.
When you hit between your diagonals you won't get ANY input to the game.
nailsn:

--- Quote from: NoOne=NBA= on December 09, 2008, 11:28:10 pm ---
--- Quote from: nailsn on December 09, 2008, 07:02:28 am ---You can still play smash tv or the any other two-joystick game in 2 Player Mode if you have your 3rd and 4th joysticks in a 45° angled position. In this case you just have to remap the diagonal directions to the normal ones for this particular game in mame. (Of course this only works with a mame cab)

--- End quote ---

That doesn't work.
You won't be able to shoot at the diagonals that way.

You can map UP=Up&Right and RIGHT=Right&Down, but that won't let you shoot to the upper right by hitting Right only.
When you hit between your diagonals you won't get ANY input to the game.

--- End quote ---

Yup, You're right! Miscalculation by me. thx
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