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Grasshopper:

--- Quote from: orion on December 03, 2008, 04:50:54 pm ---That's true I am a state employee and everyone earning more than a certain dollar amount gets their name and their salary posted on a website for all the world and their co workers who make less than that to see..... doesn't do a whole hell of a lot for moral in my opinion.

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This is one of the few areas in life where I think I’d be willing to trade some privacy in order to have greater negotiating power. I say “some” privacy because there’s no need to publish individual salaries, just the maximum and minimum salaries that the company is paying for a particular role.

As far as morale is concerned, I agree that publishing salary information will generally have a negative effect. But so what?

Morale matters but it should be based on reality. If a company is treating its workers fairly then there shouldn't be any need for secrecy. I don’t want to work for a company where moral is high only because the managers have successfully managed to hide how much they’re shafting the ordinary workers.

Grasshopper:

--- Quote from: Singapura on December 03, 2008, 06:41:13 pm ---
--- Quote ---In the UK it’s common practise for companies to ask what your current salary is on their application form. It’s always irritated the hell out of me and you’re right it does put the employee at a significant disadvantage. It ought to be illegal to ask the question but AFAIK it’s not. You’re not obliged to give that information but it could potentially count against you if you don’t.
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Singapore is very UK oriented, so maybe that's where the practice came from. In The Netherlands it is unheard of as far as I know. The strange thing is that here I'm contractually forbidden to discuss my salary with my colleagues but have to disclose it to a prospective employer before negotiations even begin. They seem to make a big problem if you misstate your salary and they find out about it. A colleague from another department almost got fired because of that.

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Well one difference is that in the UK it’s pretty much unheard of for a company to ask to see your previous salary slip after offering you the job. It’s certainly never happened to me.

However, employers can often get a pretty good idea of your previous salary by seeing how much tax you’ve paid so far in the current tax year. They get that information automatically from the Inland Revenue in order to calculate how much tax to deduct each month.

As far as contractually prohibiting employees from discussing their salary is concerned, I’m pretty sure that is illegal in the UK because if that could be done it would make collective bargaining through a union effectively impossible. That being said, one of my ex-employers did try to discourage people from discussing their salary but they were smart enough not to make it a contractual obligation. They were the sort of company that tried to get away with things that were borderline illegal.

orion:

--- Quote from: Grasshopper on December 05, 2008, 08:27:55 am ---
--- Quote from: orion on December 03, 2008, 04:50:54 pm ---That's true I am a state employee and everyone earning more than a certain dollar amount gets their name and their salary posted on a website for all the world and their co workers who make less than that to see..... doesn't do a whole hell of a lot for moral in my opinion.

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This is one of the few areas in life where I think I’d be willing to trade some privacy in order to have greater negotiating power. I say “some” privacy because there’s no need to publish individual salaries, just the maximum and minimum salaries that the company is paying for a particular role.

As far as morale is concerned, I agree that publishing salary information will generally have a negative effect. But so what?

Morale matters but it should be based on reality. If a company is treating its workers fairly then there shouldn't be any need for secrecy. I don’t want to work for a company where moral is high only because the managers have successfully managed to hide how much they’re shafting the ordinary workers.


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Well let me say that I generally avoid that site like the plaque, because it does induce some feelings of resentment. I have walked into many a b*@!$ session because coworkers have been on it and gotten themselves worked up. It's really not a good thing.

orion:

--- Quote from: pinballjim on December 05, 2008, 05:17:36 pm ---What I always found really weird about state work was the supervisors pretended it was like this huge agony to give raises and it was coming out of their own pockets.  And they'd give you 20 minutes of BS about how they thought long and hard about it and then you'd just get the 3.5% everyone else got. 

That salary information convinced me I needed to quit a job once. 

I saw how little the difference was between my supervisor and I and realized I was never going to do much better financially.   :-\



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If you don't get your money going in, your not going to get it, unless you can change jobs within the organization.

FrizzleFried:

--- Quote from: pinballjim on December 03, 2008, 06:13:05 pm ---For one, nobody with a degree from an AACSB school is going to recognize it. 

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http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0DXK/is_20_18/ai_80803286/pg_2

It seem that as of 2001 PinballJim is right...









 






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