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Level42:
Run, run ! What a bullocks ! I've never had that asked (and I'm at my 7th (or so) job now. If I would be asked that question, I would ask the guy on the other side of the table to show his company accounts, just to check if he would be able to pay me. See how they respond to that....

I've once had a job interview and after already slow communications through mail, the woman simply let me wait for 45 minutes in her office after the agreed time. I figured, if she can't manage THIS, how does she manage the rest ? So the interview went pretty bad as I expected. When I told (_almost truthfully, we all bargain in negotiants) my current salary she went a bit pale in the face. At that time I was managing a 2nd line IT support desk and had 8 people working "under" me. The job I was applying for was managing a team of about 30 people.......So she expected to pay me less for a lot more responsibility and the new job would not even include a company car...

At the end she told me she would contact me within two days.  Guess what, no call. Then after more than one week she calls at night time and says she wants a second talk. I said, OK and we fixed a time. I didn't go. Hope she figured it out....

SavannahLion:

--- Quote from: shardian on December 03, 2008, 08:12:42 am ---Your contract and pay with your current company is considered 'proprietary information' of said company. The other company has no business whatsoever seeing what your company pays or how it writes contracts.

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In the U.S. that is correct. If Company B wants to know how much Company A paid their employee they have to contact the employer. And even then, it's not supposed to be so specific as to know how much Junior is paid (practice is altogether different). In most companies, it's gotten so ridiculous that even individual employees within the company aren't supposed to reveal how much they earn to other employees or it's grounds for termination (or so they say). The common application is to determine an appropriate pay scale for a specific position and then to keep that payscale as low as possible.

Public employees (State and Federal) don't enjoy those kinds of "protections". But it's not always entirely open. It's public information how much my pay scale is, but my exact earnings are not. So I can be at the bottom of the pay scale or at the top. It's not hard to figure out how much someone like me earns since anybody can assemble a range of publicly available information and gleen my gross earnings.

However, the OP is in Singapore. All of this may apply or none of it.

orion:

"Public employees (State and Federal) don't enjoy those kinds of "protections"."

That's true I am a state employee and everyone earning more than a certain dollar amount gets their name and their salary posted on a website for all the world and their co workers who make less than that to see..... doesn't do a whole hell of a lot for moral in my opinion.

Singapura:

--- Quote from: pinballjim on December 02, 2008, 09:16:06 pm ---FYI - be careful calling the degree you got an 'MBA' if you come back to the states. 

Webster is not accredited.  Missouri puts up with that, in Texas it would be grounds for termination if your employer found out.  Other states will levy fines against you if you work for them and get a raise because of that degree, and they later found out you lied.

 :cheers:
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I think you need to get your facts straight before calling me a liar  :badmood: . Webster has campuses on most military bases as well as around the world. Webster University in the Netherlands is accredited by the Netherlands-Flemish Accreditation Agency (NVAO) and is an approved institute of higher education under Dutch law. The president of Indonesia is a Webster alumni. My MBA study was chosen and paid for by my current employer. If you're going to make that kind of ignorant comment please don't comment at all.


--- Quote ---Personally, I say you tell them how much you make and do not let that alter what you want from them... Just because they want to negotiate from that position does not mean you should...
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Now that's useful advice. Thanks!




Grasshopper:
In the UK it’s common practise for companies to ask what your current salary is on their application form. It’s always irritated the hell out of me and you’re right it does put the employee at a significant disadvantage. It ought to be illegal to ask the question but AFAIK it’s not. You’re not obliged to give that information but it could potentially count against you if you don’t.

What’s doubly irritating is that companies are generally very coy about what salary they’re offering. You rarely see a figure stated in job adverts these days.

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