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Ummon:
This is why bamboo is a good material to use. Make you very tuff. I wonder, though - and this gets into the esoteric - at some point is it more the development of chi and it's utilization (projection, etc) that protects the body?

Xiaou2:
 Bamboo is not common in the area where I live...   At least.. not anywhere near
the diameter of the poles I used.

 As for CHI,  most of the real masters Ive seen use CHI as a physical action... and
do not talk about such things as no hit KO's. 


 The very descriptions of CHI are merely to do with Physical actions, and are trained
using physical actions.


 The Idea of the no touch KO is very far fetched for example.  As is the idea that one
can simply take a staving thin child from Ethiopia who meditates year round... and hit
him with Bamboo stick as hard as you can...expecting him to be fine. 

 Chi is a somewhat mystical and poetic word/expression for a process of physical things.


 There are Some examples where CHI is describing unseen etheric energies...
yet these energies are very weak and hard from most to even feel... let alone
be able to use in some sort of physical protective way.    And if you believe
you can control my mind and body... whats to stop me from believing that you do
not?   If you could shoot a Chi blast... Couldnt I erect a CHI nullification field?
The idea of energy CHI as anything but some sort of healing power... is
most likely made up.



 Watch these short Lectures by a leading Tai Chi master.   They are Incredible:
And they reveal many secrets of all arts...

 [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqX8xIcQa1c
[/youtube]


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc8p0AdvLRA&feature=related[/youtube]

Xiaou2:

 This Universe is filled with things that are unknown and or can not be
explained by current science.    The very idea of Life itself is beyond belief. 
Where did all this stuff come from?  (beginning of it all)

 However... We must realized that there are rules to things.   If there wasnt...
the universe would be shear Chaos,  and would fall apart.

 Use of Logic and Observation can usually discover the real Truths.

Ummon:

--- Quote from: pinballjim on October 11, 2008, 07:34:53 pm ---I, for one, am completely shocked we didn't read a 4 page long hard return discussion about chi fireballs and levitation. 

Congrats on not being completely crazy, Xiaou.



--- End quote ---

I think you're making assumptions about him. Just because someone is this way and talks about certain things doesn't mean they'll be the same with other things, or be into things that may seem similarly 'fringe-y'.



--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on October 11, 2008, 04:55:48 pm ---
 Bamboo is not common in the area where I live...   At least.. not anywhere near
the diameter of the poles I used.
--- End quote ---

No, I implied that was one reason this kind of stuff developed in the far east. They saw it's practical (as well as metaphorical) utility as training apparatus.



--- Quote ---As for CHI,  most of the real masters Ive seen use CHI as a physical action... and
do not talk about such things as no hit KO's. 


 The very descriptions of CHI are merely to do with Physical actions, and are trained
using physical actions.


 The Idea of the no touch KO is very far fetched for example.  As is the idea that one
can simply take a staving thin child from Ethiopia who meditates year round... and hit
hit with Bamboo stick as hard as you can...expecting him to be fine. 

 Chi is a somewhat mystical and poetic word/expression for a process of physical things.


 There are Some examples where CHI is describing unseen etheric energies...
yet these energies are very weak and hard from most to even feel... let alone
be able to use in some sort of physical protective way.    And if you believe
you can control my mind and body... whats to stop me from believing that you do
not?   If you could shoot a Chi blast... Couldnt I erect a CHI nullification field?
The idea of energy CHI as anything but some sort of healing power... is
most likely made up.
--- End quote ---

I have some second-hand experience with people who've used 'energy' for different kinds of things, but none of them have involved harming somebody or anything. I saw a chinese medicine practitioner and asked him about this topic in general and he explained some to me about chi, but he seemed to say much as what you said above, with the emphasis on touch being involved - whereas the experience I've had has been both physical and non-physical contact. In some cases, a great distance has been involved.

In that first vid, he covers both approaches, mind and body, and I'm betting most people are doing the way that is more body. The ground-up, grunt effort way, whereas mind is top-down and less resource intensive, more mindful. This could be why most martial artists aren't freakin Jedis, so to speak (although even they are fairly physical, having to make some movement to affect their environment).

It's fascinating to see this concept articulated mathematically and all. That's cool. I agree with the idea that each style - hard, soft, hard-soft - has it's merit, although I'm inclined to think there may be something that unifies them (sorta like a GUT). Moreover, of course many know that, at least in Chinese culture, the whole of life this meditation is done, but this doesn't seem to really be taken seriously or comprehended in Western culture. I think it's the most important.

Are you familiar with the program I think on Discovery where it showed these monks who could heal, paralyze, or kill simply by touching someone? Do you think this was just a fiction made up for the show?


PS: I've been gradually penning this response, so just now have seen your last. Chaos is merely unpredictability. It doesn't mean there isn't structure. The yin-yang deal is one thing I just don't jive with.

Xiaou2:

--- Quote ---Are you familiar with the program I think on Discovery where it showed these monks who could heal, paralyze, or kill simply by touching someone? Do you think this was just a fiction made up for the show?

--- End quote ---

 Ive seen a section about Monks that could dry wet towels on themselves that
were ice cold,  in outside temperatures that were below 40 degrees.

 While this is impressive..    Do you think these guys can cook their enemies?
It took them hours to dry a towel.


 Ive also dabbled in Metaphysics in my youth.  Ive dealt with energies, and could
use them to heal.   I had also gained a great deal of Intuition and even got
a few Premonitions.   The stuff was very subtle...  which is why most never
get it.

 
 As for Touch of Death...  Sorry.. but I dont believe it.   The "Touch"  would have
to had been a strike.  Even if you could not see it, because it was very close
range.. and very very fast.     

 Some of these masters can generate enough force to kill at only an inch of
space or less.    They use in depth knowledge of anatomy, pressure points,
etc.. and can cause ruptures that will be lethal.

 There is also a lot of trickery.  Such as the use of Poisons laced on the hands.
(with a protectant that the user uses to keep himself safe).

 
 There are also the Illusionist,  who get a few paid actors to go along with things.
Who them get followers who want to believe... so much so... that they actually
hypnotize themselves into thinking the stuff is working.   Yet, its been tested
against people who are not from the 'Cult',  and it does not work.  This speaks
Volumes about its reality.

 
 Finally.. if you believe everything you see on TV, then tell me something...
Are you a believer in Chris Angel?  Do you think hes some sort of evil
demon capable of things that most humans are not?


 The reality.. is that TV is means to get money.  Ratings get make more money.
Exaggeration's and Lies get more ratings.   Of course,  there are plenty of
so called scientist that get Duped easily.


 Watching "Fight Science"... a show which was supposed to gather accurate
data about the martial arts movements... was riddled with inaccuracies and
false truths.   From this, we can clearly see how the 'experts'  are not always
correct.   Its been shown like this in many other shows similar to this as well.
 

 

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