Where to find a big 4:3 LCD

[Stiletto]

Let's keep in mind:
if people are really desperate for a large 4:3 display, cut holes in the side of the cabinet and build boxes to mask the edges of a 16:9 widescreen LCD monitor. With your typical 2560x1600 30-inch widescreen LCD, you should be able to get a 4:3 diagonal of 26.5" at a resolution of 2133x1600 (almost 4:3). Or build the cabinet to fit a widescreen LCD, and then mask the edges.

- Stiletto

[Todd H]

Yep, that was my thinking when I decided to go with the 25.5". The width was just a hair under 24" so it was a perfect fit for my Dynamo cabinet.

[Stiletto]

Here's something weird:
Sharp makes a LCD panel designed for Air Traffic Control. It's not 4:3, it's actually 1:1 with a native resolution of 2048x2048.
http://www.sharpsma.com/Page.aspx/americas/en/part/LQ281L1LW14/
And the response rate is 25ms so it's not designed for gaming - but the size: 28.05-inch is massive!

Also: Sharp has a massive 28.3" LCD Panel, again designed for industrial use. PN is LQ283G1TW11. It's 5:4, not 4:3, and has a native resolution of 2560x2048 (2x 1280x1024!) but... viewing angle is small (170deg/170deg), brightness is low (225 nits), contrast ratio is low (400:1) and response rate is 25ms...

For both of these, pricing is approx. $1000 or more per diagonal inch. Yeah, that's right.

- Stiletto

[Necro]

Hehe.  I can see it now, forget CP based wings...now it's widescreen LCD wings!

Honestly, if I could fit a decent size widescreen into my cab, going that route might be worthwhile.  As it is, I don't think it's possible...although the potential for the LCD dying eventually and me not being able to replace it (even a 19" or 20" 4:3) is worrisome. 

I'm retrofitting an older cab, so I only have 24" of internal space to work with, best case....(just checked dimensions of a 24" monitor, and they seem to come in a tad under 24 even with bezel, at around 22 3/4" wide).

Did some quick calculations, and if I'm right, it seems that these should be the dimensions. 

24in 16:10 - 12.7 x 20.35
22in 16:10 - 11.65 x 18.65
20in 4:3 - 12 x 16
19in 5:4 - 11.84 x 14.8
19in 4:3 - 11.4 x 15.2 (don't exist as far as I can find).

So.  With a 22 inch WS monitor, your basically losing height over both the 19" and the 20" monitors that are actually available, though it should be under half an inch.  For that, you'd basically have a setup (mounting, etc.) that could easily have the monitor swapped out in the case of a failure or problem.  With a 24" monitor (which some are available for cheaper than a 20" 4:3's are now....), you'd beat out both the 19 and the 20 'standard' res monitors.  Interesting.

I have some hard thinking to do about what I'm going to use in my cab now...and possibly may bring my desktop 22" monitor down to the cab to see how it looks reflected in the cabs mirror...

 

[Stiletto]

Note that with LCDs, if you're planning to rotate the screen, make SURE it's a S-IPS (pref.) or PVA panel. TN panels tend to have shorter viewing angles in general, and specifically much shorter vertical angles. Rotating 90-degrees turns this into the horizontal angle, which is (broadly) judged to be more important.

[Todd H]

Hehe.  I can see it now, forget CP based wings...now it's widescreen LCD wings!

Honestly, if I could fit a decent size widescreen into my cab, going that route might be worthwhile.  As it is, I don't think it's possible...although the potential for the LCD dying eventually and me not being able to replace it (even a 19" or 20" 4:3) is worrisome. 

I'm retrofitting an older cab, so I only have 24" of internal space to work with, best case....(just checked dimensions of a 24" monitor, and they seem to come in a tad under 24 even with bezel, at around 22 3/4" wide).

Did some quick calculations, and if I'm right, it seems that these should be the dimensions. 

24in 16:10 - 12.7 x 20.35
22in 16:10 - 11.65 x 18.65
20in 4:3 - 12 x 16
19in 5:4 - 11.84 x 14.8
19in 4:3 - 11.4 x 15.2 (don't exist as far as I can find).

So.  With a 22 inch WS monitor, your basically losing height over both the 19" and the 20" monitors that are actually available, though it should be under half an inch.  For that, you'd basically have a setup (mounting, etc.) that could easily have the monitor swapped out in the case of a failure or problem.  With a 24" monitor (which some are available for cheaper than a 20" 4:3's are now....), you'd beat out both the 19 and the 20 'standard' res monitors.  Interesting.

I have some hard thinking to do about what I'm going to use in my cab now...and possibly may bring my desktop 22" monitor down to the cab to see how it looks reflected in the cabs mirror...

 

A 25.5" 16:10 LCD monitor should come in right at or under 24" wide. The Samsung I am planning on using is 23.54" wide. Here's a link.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3574524&CatId=3774

When I did the computations, this monitor would be the equivalent of around a 23" 4:3 monitor. Not bad IMO.

[Blanka]

I want the MAME team to go dual-game-mode!
So that we can incorporate 16:10 displays, and play 2 vertical 1 person classics side by side, or the 2-player landscape games with black bars on the left/right on cabinets with a dual-player control panel. That way 16:10 would give clear benefits.

[Necro]

A 25.5" 16:10 LCD monitor should come in right at or under 24" wide. The Samsung I am planning on using is 23.54" wide. Here's a link.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3574524&CatId=3774

When I did the computations, this monitor would be the equivalent of around a 23" 4:3 monitor. Not bad IMO.

The screen size will actually be 21.62" wide,  13.5" high.  Overall monitor size would prob. be around there I would think.

Also, if you haven't ordered yet, I would really think twice about TigerDirect.  Check out their reseller ratings and all...the company has a very bad reputation.

Now, time to decide if a 16ms LCD is reasonable for MAME or not.

[Todd H]

A 25.5" 16:10 LCD monitor should come in right at or under 24" wide. The Samsung I am planning on using is 23.54" wide. Here's a link.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3574524&CatId=3774

When I did the computations, this monitor would be the equivalent of around a 23" 4:3 monitor. Not bad IMO.

The screen size will actually be 21.62" wide,  13.5" high.  Overall monitor size would prob. be around there I would think.

Also, if you haven't ordered yet, I would really think twice about TigerDirect.  Check out their reseller ratings and all...the company has a very bad reputation.

Yep, not using Tiger Direct. I was just using the link to show the model of monitor.

I was using the width measurement that included the case. I'm not planning on de-casing mine. If you decide to de-case, you may be able to get a bigger LCD monitor. I wonder what the measurements of a 28" 16:10 LCD monitor would be without the case.

[wbassett]

Also, if you haven't ordered yet, I would really think twice about TigerDirect.  Check out their reseller ratings and all...the company has a very bad reputation.

Is this something recent with Tiger?  I've ordered from them a lot in the past and was getting ready to order a few things.  I never had a problem with them, but it has been a little over a year since my last order... lots can change in a year I guess.

[Necro]

Dell is having a sale on the E248WFP  - 16:10 24".  You can get it for ~$300 with tax (it's their 10 day of deals thing).

Leaning towards ordering it...would be perfect and the bezel glass of the Omega Race I'm working with would actually work really well to conceal the sides of the monitor already.

Re: TD.  I've heard many a horror story on deal sites...so...I've never ordered from them.  Their recent reseller ratings actually seem decent, but I wouldn't order anything from them that involved a rebate they were offering themselves or something of that ilk.  If the price is right, I guess it's worth a risk if it's a known risk.

I also just did the calculations based on a monitor I know has a small bezel (acers) and the actual diagonals end up being over 24" on 22" monitors (the 24"s are a given I'd think).  So rotation is completely out on a WS monitor in a 24" cab...unless someone has already done it


One option to consider also (that I just used) - try to find a Buy It Now monitor for cheap on Ebay, then use the live.com 30% discount, and you can get some really good deals.  I just managed to snag a 20" LCD (8ms) for 130$ with a guarantee of no dead or stuck pixels.

[Ummon]

The extra inch will matter in a sense that you move from 5:4 to real 4:3. 19 inchers are never 4:3 with their 1280x1024 resolutions. 20 and 21 inch on the other hand is 1600x1200 and real 4:3

Not necessarily. It depends on the native resolution of the monitor. Two 21" CRTs I have are native XGA, hence 5:4.


I wouldn't block off a monitor. As I'd likely use it for viewing other things, I'd leave it as is and size Mame accordingly with spaces. Could be worse.

[Blanka]

Two 21" CRTs I have are native XGA, hence 5:4.

Who talks about CRT in this LCD topic?
CRT monitors were all 4:3 (except one weird Sony)
But I still have to see the first 4:3 LCD at 19 inch.

[u_rebelscum]

Two 21" CRTs I have are native XGA, hence 5:4.

Who talks about CRT in this LCD topic?
CRT monitors were all 4:3 (except one weird Sony)
But I still have to see the first 4:3 LCD at 19 inch.

No, there were a (very) few 5:4 CRT PC monitors.  There was a cheep 19" at an old work that my boss liked running at 800x600, but complained about the images being "stretched".  (IIRC that '19 inches' was viewable size, so 20"-21" tube size.)  I've seen stats of an arcade CRT whose physical dimensions seemed to be closer to 3:2 instead of 4:3 (1.5 vs 1.333), and 16:10 = 1.6) for IIRC a vertical shooter, but can't find the link.

There were 17" & 20" LCDs at 5:4, too, but now almost all 5:4 LCDs are 19".  AFAIK, all 19" LCDs were 5:4 (or, now more often, widescreen).

Sure, widescreen is great for movies, spreadsheets and horizontal PC games (driving, FPS), but 4:3 or 3:4 are sometimes better.  Coding, writing for printed paper, reading book-ish stuff, editing portrait photos, etc.  And since a widescreen has less screen area vs a 5:4 or 4:3, widescreen is cheaper to manufacture (for example 19": 5:4 area = 176 sq in, 4:3 = 173.25 sq in, 16:10 = 162.25 sq in). 

With the hype, the move to LCDs, the cheaper to make, HDTV, and economies of scale, widescreen is going to be the only option soon. 

[dedos]

Hello everyone.


I wanted to "rekindle" this thread to see if anyone had any luck finding an LCD CLOSE to 4:3 since it seems that we have been invaded with widescreens.

My understanding is that the Samsung 2693 would be ideal since its 18 inches in height (sacrificing 6 inches).  I have a 25 inch cabinet with a crappy TV and blurred images.  I'm DYING to replace it.  I'm thinking that Ms.pacman will look horrible on this either way. (FYI, ms.pacman is for the wife)

Thanks.

Dedos

[Ginsu Victim]

I'm thinking that Ms.pacman will look horrible on this either way. (FYI, ms.pacman is for the wife)

Ms Pac-man is awesome. There's no reason to justify having it.

[javeryh]

I'm thinking that Ms.pacman will look horrible on this either way. (FYI, ms.pacman is for the wife)

Ms Pac-man is awesome. There's no reason to justify having it.

That exactly what I was thinking when I read that.

[Ginsu Victim]

dedos: Check out javeryh's Bella's Arcade http://bellasarcade.blogspot.com/

Most of us guys think it's awesome.

[drventure]

Planar has the p212m, it's a 21.3 4:3 ratio LCD

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824016049

At newegg it's pricey, but I've found instances of them going for around 200-300$.

[dedos]

I'm certainly envious of that little girl.

Thanks for the replies.

drventure, thanks for the link.  you are right, it IS pricey but definitely good enough to seek it on the net for cheaper.

What does everyone think about this model?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?CurImage=24-155-056-03.jpg&Image=24-155-056-03.jpg%2c24-155-056-11.jpg%2c24-155-056-04.jpg%2c24-155-056-08.jpg%2c24-155-056-06.jpg%2c24-155-056-07.jpg%2c24-155-056-09.jpg%2c24-155-056-10.jpg&S7ImageFlag=0&WaterMark=1&Item=N82E16824155056&Depa=1&Description=KDS%20K-2626mdhwb%20Black%2026%22%205ms%20Widescreen%20LCD%20Monitor%20Built%20in%20Speakers

[drventure]

Boy that just chaps me.

Take a look at the user comments on newegg about dead pixels.

One dead pix would annoy the hell out of me, but it's considered "OK" by most companies and they won't take it back 

I tend to buy LCD's off craigslist for the sole reason that I can check out the monitor before buying it.

[1UP]

Let's keep in mind:
if people are really desperate for a large 4:3 display, cut holes in the side of the cabinet and build boxes to mask the edges of a 16:9 widescreen LCD monitor. With your typical 2560x1600 30-inch widescreen LCD, you should be able to get a 4:3 diagonal of 26.5" at a resolution of 2133x1600 (almost 4:3). Or build the cabinet to fit a widescreen LCD, and then mask the edges.

- Stiletto

I don't understand why you would waste a large screen like that.  Turn it sideways and use the extra half of the screen for a digital marquee.  You could even build a frame to make it look like a separate piece.

[thatitalian]

it sideways and use the extra half of the screen for a digital marquee.

You could be onto something! Why not use the bottom of the screen as an instruction panel for each game and the top to show the marquee or even have scrolling text or something?

Is that even possible to split the screen up like that? Because if it is that would look pretty crazy!

[javeryh]

it sideways and use the extra half of the screen for a digital marquee.

You could be onto something! Why not use the bottom of the screen as an instruction panel for each game and the top to show the marquee or even have scrolling text or something?

Is that even possible to split the screen up like that? Because if it is that would look pretty crazy!

I want to say Randy or someone here already did this.  I know I saw it a while back.

[polaris]

it sideways and use the extra half of the screen for a digital marquee.

You could be onto something! Why not use the bottom of the screen as an instruction panel for each game and the top to show the marquee or even have scrolling text or something?

Is that even possible to split the screen up like that? Because if it is that would look pretty crazy!

I want to say Randy or someone here already did this.  I know I saw it a while back.

yep it was randy, the thread was called how to throw even more money at a defender cab or something like that

[bkenobi]

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=70840.0

[thatitalian]

I know, but splitting it into 3? I suppose if it is possible with 2 it must be the same with 3.

[Blanka]

Planar has the p212m, it's a 21.3 4:3 ratio LCD
At newegg it's pricey, but I've found instances of them going for around 200-300$.

21.3 inch panels are either yesteryears best SPVA or SIPS panels used for top of the line pro graphic panels. They can never be had around 200-300$ or it must be second hand. The Samsung 214T is one of the cheapest with that panel, and even today still around 600$.

[dedos]

214T  $240 USD

http://www.ecost.com/detail.aspx?edp=40889781&source=EWBBASE&cm_mmc=CSE-_-google-_-ewbbase-_-Monitors&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=40889781

[Blanka]

Good deal! Sad it's not for Europe and even sadder Samsung never shipped the black ones to europe.

[Ummon]

Hey. Guess what I found at a local resort. Not great photos, but the lighting was dim in the corridor where this was, and I was using my phone. This baby was at least 30 inches diagonal.

....I dunno...then again, going by the size of the handsets below, maybe this was about 50 inches.

[kagaden]

Hey. Guess what I found at a local resort. Not great photos, but the lighting was dim in the corridor where this was, and I was using my phone. This baby was at least 30 inches diagonal.

....I dunno...then again, going by the size of the handsets below, maybe this was about 50 inches.

Wow nice pics. It's really too bad I gave up and settled on widescreen. That's a beauty. I wonder what the brand/specs are of it.

[bkenobi]

Interesting, but without any model number/manufacturer/etc., this serves as little more than a "don't give up cause it's out there".  It is encouraging, but not much else.   

[BORIStheBLADE]

They probably paid tons of money for that. I called a company last year that makes custom LCD's and for like a 24" 4:3 he told me it would cost me at least $2,400. 

[Ummon]

Ahhh, yeah, I didn't really think about that. Probably because it was kinda dark in there, and I had my mind on some other things. But you could always canvas the local resorts, casinos, etc and see what they got, where from, and whether they're surplusing anything.