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| billpa:
Sorry Hoopz...but I have to politely disagree. This is not bickering on my part. Yes, this might not be the place to vent my frustration but it is only fueled by numerous posts touting Atomic FE being able to look like HyperSpin via their cleverly named "HyperSkin". Frankly, I don't care what FE people use or how many people use "X" Front End (not knocking this thread, just mean I am not here to push one FE over another). I do care about someone not only blatantly stealing work from others, but also re-packaging it in the same manner. Here is just one of many examples, a side by side comparison of the download areas for both sites. You wouldn't even be able to tell which one is which if I didn't label them. The fact is youki, you come to the HS site and you download the themes and then use the files for your own front end. You do not try to hide it. In fact it is one of your selling points for Atomic FE...boasting how you can get the same look as HS, although not even close to the same performance or design. Your argument that we get these images off the web (so we are stealing) is weak at best. I would say 80-90% of all of the images we use are taken from joymonkey's art site...a site that you cannot download from unless you donate. There are at least a few dozen members that specifically donate to joymonkey's site just so they can use his high quality artwork. But it doesn't end there. Because each of those images needs to be cut out in Photoshop, which takes a lot of time. Then everything needs to be laid out, animated, etc. which takes even more time. There are tons of games that do not have suitable artwork...the resolution is too low. So our members retrace the artwork in Illustrator/Inkscape/Corel Draw. This takes loads of time! Then there are games that do not have any real type of artwork besides a logo...and our members actually create original artwork inspired by the game. Many of the background images are original designs as well as other artwork in some themes. You absolutely have no right to take any original work without the permission of the creator. Do you understand that there is original artwork in those themes you are stealing youki? It's not even like you tried to get permission. You were pretty straightforward about taking the art once it was available and you are quick to dismiss all of the hard work that went into it. Honestly I might not be as pissed as I am if I didn't check out your "HyperSkin" layouts page and see that it is an exact duplicate of the HS themes download section. Probably the only thing that surprised me is that you leave a line next to each of your layouts stating it was "based on the work of". Like anyone visiting your site would know that this actually means you downloaded a theme made by a HS member, extracted the artwork, laid it out identical to that them and repackaged it as your own. Even your starter MAME pack is almost identical to the starter pack HS released. I don't code. I don't know anything about creating a program. The only skill I have to contribute is artwork. There are a lot of people like me in the HS community and we pride ourselves on creating great artwork with high standards. To see all of that taken without any disregard is quite disappointing and definitely speaks volume of your character youki. Sorry...this is my last post here. I am fed up. If youki wants to take the argument to PM, so be it. |
| Ginsu Victim:
I skipped reading all that and translated it as: WAH! :hissy: |
| Hoopz:
Billpa, I appreciate your perspective and your post does speak volumes about the situation. All I would ask is that anyone who wish to discuss this move it from this thread into a thread devoted solely to that topic. I can see both sides and empathize with both parties. My preference is that this thread not turn into a bickering contest that's happened so often in the past on these boards. I would like to keep this thread as focused on the topic if at all possible. The posts about Maximo G+ not withstanding... I can see that you're frustrated and hope you continue to help with Hyperspin because of your obvious talent. I appreciate everyone's help here. Ginsu: not helpful..... Thanks, Jeff |
| Ginsu Victim:
--- Quote from: Hoopz on October 07, 2009, 01:58:35 pm ---Ginsu: not helpful..... --- End quote --- Billpa found it funny. I was trying to diffuse the situation with humor instead of letting it turn into a flame war in this thread (exactly what you'd hoped to avoid). I wasn't fueling it. (Come on, Jeff, you know we've both fanned the flames before, but this wasn't one of those times...) |
| youki:
Please Billpa don't insult me. you don't know me. We are talking about hobbies not Business here. keep it friendly. I have alway credited sincerely the fantastic job that HS layout creator did in matter of Artwork. My "selling" point (selling is funny, because Atomic is totally free, and i even don't force the user to be registered or what ever else to download something) as you say ,is just : "If you like hyperspin look but don't have a enough powered machine , Atomic is a good alternative". Where Hyperspin needs a 3ghz machine with 1 giga or more ram and accelerated graphics card , Atomic needs a celeron 800mhz with 256 mega of ram and a standard VGA card. (so don't talk me about hyperspin performances). I don't try to compete with Hyperspin (anyway i could not, no time for that), i just propose an alternative usable on low end machine. That's all. Hyperspin is a very nice looking FrontEnd , the layout are really fantastic , And if you have a high end machine you should use it. I don't pretend my Atomic is better or even try to compete. At least on graphic aspect. It is lot of harder to make an animated layout for Atomic than it is for HS. and last point, The layouts you can see have been done (or ported from HS (and it ask lot of work , just try you will see...) by AtomicFE community not by me (i made about 40 i think on the 600 or more available). Did you care about the author of the original artwork you ripped? Do you have the feeling you stoled their work? Now, if there is legal issue on layout i made myself . You can prove you have some copyright on artwork. I will change them no problem. and speaking about my website what duplicate HS Download Section , you didn't noticed it is not my website. i didn't made this website and it is even not hosted by me. If you want see my web page for the layout download it is here : http://www.atomicfe.com/Downloads/Layouts_in_progress/download_layout.php And i insist : All Artwork have been reworked for AtomicFe , and not take as is. i repeat : just try to port one of your layout on AtomicFE and you will see the amount of work. And you will see that what you need to do , is the exact same thing you did from the orignal Artwork you reworked. Anyway i understand your "frustration" , i had the same feeling what i saw everybody say "waooouh" when they first seen Hyperspin whereas AtomicFe offered the same possibilities (except the spin) since years. Hyperspin marketting is lot better than mine! :D I'm not in business , i just propose a FrontEnd for Free and Really for Free . If you like it i'm happy , if you don't like it I understand. Now there is a good choice of very great front end. The Time of pionner is finished. The only think i wish is that some great front end stay Free. Ok, now if you have issue with my post , please PM me. Sorry to have post here, i didn't want answer. But I wanted to clarify things for all other. |
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