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Ummon:
Dream Theatre has nothing of interest to me, in any way. Lots of chops, little compositional ability, and rock-oriented. No.

Incidentally, notice at about 2:04 Portnoy sorta stutters on his kick blast. Another thing: take that scene just after 2:04 - people think that's bad or something. Everyone's playing the same thing. Besides being boring, and what they're playing is boring as well, he's not doing anything that is musically interesting. But it's sorta quick so that means it's bad.

Here's some real percussion music and expertise. By the way, all of this is strictly scored. If I remember correctly, the various parts have different meters...and perhaps tempi...simultaneously, throughout the piece.




Or, for something a bit different but still in the realm of percussion:

Ginsu Victim:
I never said that the Portnoy video was the be-all, end-all of drumming vids. He has several that are better, and he isn't one of the greatest, but he is damn good at what he does.

Also, I'm not a huge Dream Theater fan. I like some of their work, but they mostly bore me. I prefer Symphony X over them.

Ummon:

--- Quote from: Ginsu Victim on September 19, 2008, 10:25:48 pm --- I prefer Symphony X over them.

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Hm. Chops, but I don't hear much if anything really new in there. Vocalist kinda reminds me of Dio. Some of the guitar stuff is older metal-like.

Here's a Texas band, sort of nu rock/metal, that is pretty tasty (well, their first album; their new stuff blows) :




Lame video, though. I hate videos.


Here's another one. Total one-hit wonder, but very tasty, especially the vocalist. This is what Creed should've sounded like :

Ginsu Victim:

--- Quote from: Ummon on September 21, 2008, 05:29:52 pm ---
--- Quote from: Ginsu Victim on September 19, 2008, 10:25:48 pm --- I prefer Symphony X over them.

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Hm. Chops, but I don't hear much if anything really new in there.

--- End quote ---

Jeez. Does everything HAVE to be the most musically superior thing out there in order to like it? Again, never said they were the greatest, just that I like them more than Dream Theater.

No reason for you over-analyze everything we say about music.

I like Michael Romeo's guitar playing.

Ummon:
Heh. Short answer: pretty much.


Long answer: For me to like it, it has to have certain things at least within the genre, or something that out-grows it. Always has beenthis way for me. Let's say a contemporary composer wants to compose a work in a 'classical' style. Well, that's fine and good - except for two things: that era was covered very thoroughly (not just by the historical greats, but many amateur composers as well); and given it's relatively contained harmonic language and all, combined with the aspiring composer not having lived through the era, it will be difficult to create something unique and remarkable.

I hardly ever listen to Beethoven or Mozart, but arguably there's enough there to keep one entertained without need for more of the same.  There was a neo-classical movement in the early twentieth that had some novelty. Actually, much of John Williams' music is a sort of hack off this 'style', though more constrained because it's incidental music for movies, whereas the original neo-classical music was 'solo'.

Sure, when I started playing and 'writing' for electric guitar, it was your basic derivative metal. But after learning some things about music, while wanting to keep (at least some aspects of) the timbre I had, I started using those things I learned to go beyond metal. I'll see if I can work up some examples if you're interested.

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