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For the Metallica/Mortal Kombat Fans.....
Ummon:
--- Quote from: TOK on September 11, 2008, 09:33:40 pm ---
Or you're completely wrong. ;)
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Do you want to discuss this?
TOK:
--- Quote from: Ummon on September 13, 2008, 05:39:26 pm ---
--- Quote from: TOK on September 11, 2008, 09:33:40 pm ---
Or you're completely wrong. ;)
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Do you want to discuss this?
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Yes. Clue me in.
Ummon:
'Technical' is some word made up by electric guitarists to mean whatever they think is difficult and 'progressive'. It's pretty arbitrary. It has little to do with composition, which is independent of instrument or being able to play one. There's very little composition in pop culture music, and even less in metal. Mostly it's just rehashing what others have done in the ways they've done it. This wasn't always so - but even those examples (I've mentioned some) aren't special outside of metal. Changing your tuning doesn't make it new, even it hadn't been done before. Adding a bunch of synth strings isn't new, and isn't special even if it hadn't been done before. Because there's little compositional principle involved. That's what most people don't know about music, and hence don't really know music.
TOK:
--- Quote from: Ummon on September 13, 2008, 10:25:08 pm --- 'Technical' is some word made up by electric guitarists to mean whatever they think is difficult and 'progressive'. It's pretty arbitrary. It has little to do with composition, which is independent of instrument or being able to play one. There's very little composition in pop culture music, and even less in metal. Mostly it's just rehashing what others have done in the ways they've done it. This wasn't always so - but even those examples (I've mentioned some) aren't special outside of metal. Changing your tuning doesn't make it new, even it hadn't been done before. Adding a bunch of synth strings isn't new, and isn't special even if it hadn't been done before. Because there's little compositional principle involved. That's what most people don't know about music, and hence don't really know music.
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I've been joking about "read the Wiki" with you, because it aggravated me that you were doing that in forums where people were asking legitimate questions that I felt you couldn't answer.
Here is a link to the Wiki about a band I mentioned... Meshuggah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meshuggah
I don't actually even like a lot of this bands music, but I can appreciate the things they're doing. Down in the Musical Style section there are links to various things they've done in their compositions, things you gloss over in huge generalities like someone who learned everything they know about music from newspaper record reviews.
Ginsu Victim:
--- Quote from: Ummon on September 13, 2008, 10:25:08 pm --- 'Technical' is some word made up by electric guitarists to mean whatever they think is difficult and 'progressive'. It's pretty arbitrary. It has little to do with composition, which is independent of instrument or being able to play one. There's very little composition in pop culture music, and even less in metal. Mostly it's just rehashing what others have done in the ways they've done it. This wasn't always so - but even those examples (I've mentioned some) aren't special outside of metal. Changing your tuning doesn't make it new, even it hadn't been done before. Adding a bunch of synth strings isn't new, and isn't special even if it hadn't been done before. Because there's little compositional principle involved. That's what most people don't know about music, and hence don't really know music.
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Wow, you're just coming off as pompous. Do you hear yourself?
My use of the term "progressive" was only in reference to the older style of what's called "progressive rock" (Yes, Gabriel-era Genesis, Emerson Lake and Palmer, older Rush, etc). Bands that love odd time signatures, and lean toward classical styles and jazz fusion.
As for "technical" guitarists, I hate bands like Dragonforce that are all technique, no substance.
No reason to treat me like an idiot. (TOK on the other hand...) ;) Just kidding, though I agree that Iced Earth has always been a pretty crappy band. (I've given them TOO many chances to impress me and they've always failed.)
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