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For the Metallica/Mortal Kombat Fans.....
Ummon:
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--- Quote from: Ummon on September 07, 2008, 09:11:00 pm ---That's too bad.
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C'mon man, you pretty much negate your opinion when you say metal died in the 90's. ;)
There are still lots of great straightforward metal bands like The Sword and Mastadon and Iced Earth, and killer highly technical metal bands like Opeth.
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Iced Earth started in the late 80s. The were just as bad then. Metal did die in the 90's. Since then, there has been nothing new. It's been a bunch of regurgitation, addition of cheesy major and minor keys (still no real harmony, though), and watering-down by infusion of rock and weaker metal.
This 'technical' thing you mention. It has little meaning.
--- Quote from: GinsuVictim on September 07, 2008, 11:12:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: Ummon on September 07, 2008, 09:11:00 pm ---
--- Quote from: GinsuVictim on September 07, 2008, 10:29:38 am ---
--- Quote ---Its shocking... that if you look back at their musical only pieces such as "Orion",
... that they could even put together such crap today.
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It's the Cliff factor that's missing. He had the most prog rock influence of any of them.
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No such thing in their music. He had a classical sensibility. Prog is different.
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Classical and prog go hand in hand. Listen to some Gabriel-era Genesis, ELP, 70s Yes, and 70s Rush (Geddy Lee was a huge influence on Cliff).
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They don't. First off, 'Classical' is an era - approximately 1750-1825. Second, the musical structure - harmony, form, and the relationship between the two - is far different than you understand, and is only slightly if at all utilized in pop culture. Third, Cliff studied classical guitar and hence the literature of the instrument's repertoire is what you hear an influence of in things like the intro to Fight Fire with Fire. Moreover, many of their songs from Lightning and Puppets use a basic sonata form (tonal scheme of A section in major, B section in/modulation to sub-mediant; or tonic in minor and modulation to the mediant - whereas Kill 'Em All was mostly blues/rock-based), which I'm betting is also example of Cliff's guitar experience.
Ginsu Victim:
:blah:
TOK:
--- Quote from: Ummon on September 09, 2008, 05:11:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: TOK on September 07, 2008, 09:46:13 pm ---
--- Quote from: Ummon on September 07, 2008, 09:11:00 pm ---That's too bad.
--- End quote ---
C'mon man, you pretty much negate your opinion when you say metal died in the 90's. ;)
There are still lots of great straightforward metal bands like The Sword and Mastadon and Iced Earth, and killer highly technical metal bands like Opeth.
--- End quote ---
Iced Earth started in the late 80s. The were just as bad then. Metal did die in the 90's. Since then, there has been nothing new. It's been a bunch of regurgitation, addition of cheesy major and minor keys (still no real harmony, though), and watering-down by infusion of rock and weaker metal.
This 'technical' thing you mention. It has little meaning.
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Really? Got some youtube vid or you laying down some of their stuff? How about some Meshuggah?
I think you're talkin' out yer butt. ;D
Ummon:
--- Quote from: Ginsu Victim on September 09, 2008, 05:15:02 pm --- :blah:
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There are composers and there's the audience. Then there's popculture.
--- Quote from: TOK on September 10, 2008, 12:31:57 pm ---Really? Got some youtube vid or you laying down some of their stuff? How about some Meshuggah?
I think you're talkin' out yer butt. ;D
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You're not understanding.
TOK:
--- Quote from: Ummon on September 11, 2008, 07:50:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: Ginsu Victim on September 09, 2008, 05:15:02 pm --- :blah:
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There are composers and there's the audience. Then there's popculture.
--- Quote from: TOK on September 10, 2008, 12:31:57 pm ---Really? Got some youtube vid or you laying down some of their stuff? How about some Meshuggah?
I think you're talkin' out yer butt. ;D
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You're not understanding.
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Or you're completely wrong. ;)
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