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Xiaou2:
China and Japan have a very low count of obese citizens. They also look about
10+ years younger than the typical good looking westerner.
They eat rice and noodles in decent quantities... Yet dont gain massive weight.
Why?
I believe the real killer is fat content. Too many people are snacking on high fat
foods and snacks such as: Cheese, salad dressings, Ice cream, candy bars,
French Fries, etc.
They also do not overeat meat. Meat is mixed sparingly with rice and veggies.
As far as I understand it... A sugar is pretty easy to digest and turn into instant energy. If not needed... it can eventually turn into fat... but that process takes a good deal of energy to accomplish.. thus not much will be added this way.
However.... if you eat a dose of Fat, it seems like it does not even need to be
converted. It simply just breaks down and re-collects in your body elsewhere.
To burn fat off... takes a lot more workout than to burn the same portion of
instant energy sugars.
If you took someone who drunk 5 glasses of whole milk every day,
vs a person who drank 5 sodas a day, who do you think will get fatter faster?
Of course... on the other end of the spectrum... If you take a guy who eats one
high fat Ice cream a week... and a guy who has the eqivilent 10 liters of
soda a day, every day... then obviously the guy who eats the one fatty treat will
not gain as much as the other person who is taking in way too many calories.
The problem then is realistic portion control. Many people have both
problems. They eat High fatty foods.. AND eat Massive quantities.
There arnt enough hours in most peoples day to exercise off all the fat and
massive calorie intake that most of these overweight people take in.
Exercise will surely help burn off weight... but... you cant expect to lose much
if you just keep stuffing more crap in. And obviously... if you are working out, you are
probably going to feel more hunger. So... will you then grab a pizza? or go
for a 10 lb salad with 1/3 bottle of high fat dressing topped with a 2" cube worth
of cheese? Or will you continue to eat low meals with the same frequency, same
portion size... and maintain lowfat intake?
You can lose fat the healthy way.... or do it the extreme way. However, no matter
which way you do it... you are more than likely to put all that weight right back
on unless you change your learned eating habits.
The difference is... if you lose weight unhealthily.. and then gain it back.. and repeat
that process again and again... you just may take years off your lifespan. And or
worse... have need for dangerous surgeries... and lifelong health issues.
ark_ader:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on September 01, 2008, 01:27:50 pm ---
China and Japan have a very low count of obese citizens. They also look about
10+ years younger than the typical good looking westerner.
They eat rice and noodles in decent quantities... Yet dont gain massive weight.
Why?
I believe the real killer is fat content. Too many people are snacking on high fat
foods and snacks such as: Cheese, salad dressings, Ice cream, candy bars,
French Fries, etc.
They also do not overeat meat. Meat is mixed sparingly with rice and veggies.
As far as I understand it... A sugar is pretty easy to digest and turn into instant energy. If not needed... it can eventually turn into fat... but that process takes a good deal of energy to accomplish.. thus not much will be added this way.
However.... if you eat a dose of Fat, it seems like it does not even need to be
converted. It simply just breaks down and re-collects in your body elsewhere.
To burn fat off... takes a lot more workout than to burn the same portion of
instant energy sugars.
If you took someone who drunk 5 glasses of whole milk every day,
vs a person who drank 5 sodas a day, who do you think will get fatter faster?
Of course... on the other end of the spectrum... If you take a guy who eats one
high fat Ice cream a week... and a guy who has the eqivilent 10 liters of
soda a day, every day... then obviously the guy who eats the one fatty treat will
not gain as much as the other person who is taking in way too many calories.
The problem then is realistic portion control. Many people have both
problems. They eat High fatty foods.. AND eat Massive quantities.
There arnt enough hours in most peoples day to exercise off all the fat and
massive calorie intake that most of these overweight people take in.
Exercise will surely help burn off weight... but... you cant expect to lose much
if you just keep stuffing more crap in. And obviously... if you are working out, you are
probably going to feel more hunger. So... will you then grab a pizza? or go
for a 10 lb salad with 1/3 bottle of high fat dressing topped with a 2" cube worth
of cheese? Or will you continue to eat low meals with the same frequency, same
portion size... and maintain lowfat intake?
You can lose fat the healthy way.... or do it the extreme way. However, no matter
which way you do it... you are more than likely to put all that weight right back
on unless you change your learned eating habits.
The difference is... if you lose weight unhealthily.. and then gain it back.. and repeat
that process again and again... you just may take years off your lifespan. And or
worse... have need for dangerous surgeries... and lifelong health issues.
--- End quote ---
What year are you thinking the above relates to? ::)
Orientals recently have the highest level of diabetes ever seen. In the UK you see posters asking if your are Asian, over 40 with a weight size of 37 or more you might have type 2 diabetes. most of the orientals here in the UK are older with huge waistlines. Only the younger orientals are thin or kind of thin.
http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/pressreleases/worrying_failure_to/
Maybe if all these guys went on my Atkins Induction Diet earlier, we would see a reduction of cases of Type 2 Diabetes. ;D
Sorry Xiaou2 you need to back up some of your comments with real world statistics. I'm on a high fat diet, and I'm losing my body fat a stone a week. Rice and Pasta makes you fat. The old saying that you will never find a fat Chinese man by eating rice, isn't accurate. The average Chinese man is eating a small bowl once a day with some protein a few times a week. I'm sure there are more Chinese getting less than that. More like millions in borderline starvation. Don't forget to add Burmese into the equation. I wonder what they are getting...
The current surge in city wealth contradicts how many live in rural China. Asian males might look younger, but Asian females age quicker. Could be diet or living conditions related too.
Over a billion Chinese and you come out with that comment? Please at least could you share with us your source of information? I would like to learn more about your source of information. :cheers:
Ummon:
--- Quote from: patrickl on August 31, 2008, 05:25:14 am ---The difference is probably in portion size. You can eat unhealthy crap, but if you don't eat too much of it you still won't gain weight.
I've eaten in restaurants all over the US and portions tend to be twice the size of the portions served in European restaurants. If you finish your plate in the US you will gain a lot of weight pretty fast. I guess the doggy bag is a good alternative, but if the plate is filled with too much food then people tend to eat too much.
The weirdest thing I got was a free refil cup at some burger place off a highway. It was a 1 liter cardboard bucket that I could refil as often as I wanted. I can't imagine drinking more than a liter of soda in one go. There were families there that did refil their buckets though.
--- End quote ---
Skinny or fat with no muscle equals the same.
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on September 01, 2008, 01:27:50 pm ---
I believe the real killer is fat content.
--- End quote ---
I think it's not.
--- Quote from: ark_ader on September 01, 2008, 03:20:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on September 01, 2008, 01:27:50 pm ---
China and Japan have a very low count of obese citizens. They also look about
10+ years younger than the typical good looking westerner.
They eat rice and noodles in decent quantities... Yet dont gain massive weight.
Why?
I believe the real killer is fat content. Too many people are snacking on high fat
foods and snacks such as: Cheese, salad dressings, Ice cream, candy bars,
French Fries, etc.
They also do not overeat meat. Meat is mixed sparingly with rice and veggies.
As far as I understand it... A sugar is pretty easy to digest and turn into instant energy. If not needed... it can eventually turn into fat... but that process takes a good deal of energy to accomplish.. thus not much will be added this way.
However.... if you eat a dose of Fat, it seems like it does not even need to be
converted. It simply just breaks down and re-collects in your body elsewhere.
To burn fat off... takes a lot more workout than to burn the same portion of
instant energy sugars.
If you took someone who drunk 5 glasses of whole milk every day,
vs a person who drank 5 sodas a day, who do you think will get fatter faster?
Of course... on the other end of the spectrum... If you take a guy who eats one
high fat Ice cream a week... and a guy who has the eqivilent 10 liters of
soda a day, every day... then obviously the guy who eats the one fatty treat will
not gain as much as the other person who is taking in way too many calories.
The problem then is realistic portion control. Many people have both
problems. They eat High fatty foods.. AND eat Massive quantities.
There arnt enough hours in most peoples day to exercise off all the fat and
massive calorie intake that most of these overweight people take in.
Exercise will surely help burn off weight... but... you cant expect to lose much
if you just keep stuffing more crap in. And obviously... if you are working out, you are
probably going to feel more hunger. So... will you then grab a pizza? or go
for a 10 lb salad with 1/3 bottle of high fat dressing topped with a 2" cube worth
of cheese? Or will you continue to eat low meals with the same frequency, same
portion size... and maintain lowfat intake?
You can lose fat the healthy way.... or do it the extreme way. However, no matter
which way you do it... you are more than likely to put all that weight right back
on unless you change your learned eating habits.
The difference is... if you lose weight unhealthily.. and then gain it back.. and repeat
that process again and again... you just may take years off your lifespan. And or
worse... have need for dangerous surgeries... and lifelong health issues.
--- End quote ---
What year are you thinking the above relates to? ::)
Orientals recently have the highest level of diabetes ever seen. In the UK you see posters asking if your are Asian, over 40 with a weight size of 37 or more you might have type 2 diabetes. most of the orientals here in the UK are older with huge waistlines. Only the younger orientals are thin or kind of thin.
http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/pressreleases/worrying_failure_to/
Maybe if all these guys went on my Atkins Induction Diet earlier, we would see a reduction of cases of Type 2 Diabetes. ;D
Sorry Xiaou2 you need to back up some of your comments with real world statistics.
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I'm not supporting him, per se, but I think he's talking about indigenous people, not those in western countries.
Jdurg:
BMI is one of the most fallable, incorrect measurements of overall health out there. Nearly all, if not all, body builders have BMI's that consider them obese. Muscle is MUCH more dense than fat is. % body fat is the most proper determination of health out there. A high % of body fat is more unhealthy than a high BMI. You can have a proper BMI, but if your body fat percentage is too high you are in MUCH worse shape than someone with a high BMI and low body fat percentage.
The general measure of whether you're fat or not is how many calories you intake versus how many you spend. If you ingest 5,000 Calories every day and only exert 4,000 Calories, those extra 1,000 Calories need to go somewhere and they go into you fat cells as your body stores them. It doesn't matter WHERE they come from. It's just that one gram of fat has more calories than one gram of protein does. So if your intake is mostly fat, your intake has more calories than the same intake of protein does.
That's how the Atkin's Diet works. You take in probably an equal amount of calories, but so much more of it is protein rather than fat and carbohydrates that you lose weight. Still, if you intake a larger number of calories than you spend, you'll put on weight.
ChadTower:
It should be noted that long term over-ingestion of protein in balance terms damages the kidneys. Ask an older bobybuilder to pee sometime and see what happens to them as they get older. Ever notice you never meet a 70 year old guy who used to be a bodybuilder? It's not so different, though it takes a lot longer, than what alcohol does to the liver. People are omnivores for a reason.
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