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Vinyl rules !
danny_galaga:
--- Quote from: mameotron on August 27, 2008, 12:55:35 am ---Actually, when you get down to the quantum level, there is no smooth analog curve. Electrons jump from one shell to the next in discrete steps, much like digital waveforms. My quantum CD player has the best possible sound. Period.
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many, many magnitudes of difference between the size of an electron and the 'size' of a digital package of information. besides which, both the piece of vinyl AND the digital recording consist of electrons...
danny_galaga:
oh, and vinyl definitely rules (",)
richms:
I have heard some systems that people rave about being awesome and have another zero on the end of the price of mine (one was close to an extra 2 zeros) - and I was not impressed.
Firstly, the bass out of the tube amps was hollow, weak sounding, like the port tuning was all crap and there was no control over it (Think some rap lovers car). The volume it started to distort was quite low. Sure, it went a lot louder then that, but it was seriously unpleasant to listen to, if that's the "warmth" of a tube amp, then I will take my stone cold 500 watts of mosfet power any day.
That was all off a CD.
When we tried a turntable here at my place (was some esoteric thing with a giant pully on it and a stylus that cost more then my computer) - it couldn't go loud without getting really bad feedback at some low frequency that started making my woofers hit their limit. And that was at a volume well under what I normally listen to it at. Would have being lucky to be 75dB I would think. (That was on my mosfet amp into my nice inefficiant non ported speakers) Apparantly it was my fault for not having a subsonic filter on my preamp. Never needed to remove bass before except at extreme volumes that would make the cd player skip, but I dont do cd's anymore :)
I am firmly in the PC, good DAC and lots of power amp side of the fence for music. LPs have no random, no ability to leave it going for hours on end while doing other things, no downloads to play on it. I get a hell of a lot more enjoyment from music this way. Till the old gits next door start complaining.
Ummon:
--- Quote from: richms on September 01, 2008, 07:07:13 am ---I have heard some systems that people rave about being awesome and have another zero on the end of the price of mine (one was close to an extra 2 zeros) - and I was not impressed.
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I'm not saying your system blows, though it's very likely your hearing is screwy. What I mean is that most things today are what's called 'hyped', which means a boosting of the lows and highs and a cut in the mids. Most people are used to this and hearing something truly full range sounds, say, gamey to them. I was a victim of this, particularly as I listened to a lot of scooped-mids metal, until I realized it and my ear changed.
Not that there aren't great solid state systems out there, and not that digital isn't great. They offer different things, though.
RayB:
Maybe it's been mentioned and I didn't notice, since I just skimmed the most recent posts, but people need to know that most digital format players don't just decode sound data in "steps" and leave it at that (well maybe ultra cheap junk does). There is something called interpolation where the decoder performs a calculation of the "line" between those sample "steps". The result is much closer to an analog "wave" than the stair-step analogy. And plus, any real advanced players do that interpolation using a technique similar to bezier curves rather than simple linear interpolation. The end result is a smoothly curving waveform just like an analog one, though probably not matching the source exactly--close enough though to not matter to the human ear.
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