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Request for Defender CP layout details
TheShanMan:
Reverse button measurements for stargate I think would be just as good. Probably just the same as defender.
Is this a mame machine? Do you play other games with it? If so, have you run across games where you decided to map the reverse button to something that normally wouldn't be in that location?
TOK:
I don't use the reverse button for anything but Defender and Stargate on this machine... I did a thumb button on my first cab also, and it gets used for a few other games like Total Carnage and a mostly unknown game that I love called Rescue.
The Stargate machine is a bartop and it has other stuff on it, but I kept the game list pretty short. The stick is a Sanwa 8 way and since most Golden Age games didn't use a lot of buttons anyway, the Stargate Thrust and Fire buttons are good for button 1 and 2.
I'm pretty sure just from feel that the button spacing is identical between the two games. Stargate just adds the Inviso button.
I just took a quick look and the center of the stick shaft to the center of the button is about 2 1/8". Thats not exact because its just holding the ruler by the stick and button. The template I made is buried out in the garage. I can tell you that its close enough that you'll have to trim the base on most sticks. Here is a pic of what I trimmed off the Sanwa and I did something similar to a Happ Competition. I don't really like playing the Defender with the bat-top Happ on the other machine, but it was functional enough until I got this done.
On the Sanwa, I actually had to trim away a bit of the housing too, but not enough to go through.
Pic sucks, but you can see how tight they fit together after the trim.
arzoo:
--- Quote from: pcolson on July 21, 2008, 04:02:19 pm ---arzoo - when you get a chance, would you mind measuring the button spacing on the whole panel? No rush at all; I probably wont get to this for a while. I want to try to remake the defender layout on my modular panel. Maybe I can actually learn to play it someday.
Thanks,
Paul
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I'm home later today (long trip - drove from Lake George, NY down to Ft. Lauderdale, FL and back north, visiting friends and family along the way. Over 3000 miles by the time I get home.) Anyway, if know one else gets to it first, I'll measure and post the Defender and Stargate cp's tonight or tomorrow.
TheShanMan:
Thanks guys. I did figure I'd have to mod my stick. The distance will determine how much (and if it's even going to work). I'm also interested in the angle between the stick and the button. Looks like it's roughly 45 degrees, but if it's possible for either of you guys to measure that I would be grateful.
I'm starting to think about putting the hyperspace to the right of the 3rd button, as part of a 4 button cluster (leftmost button is dropped by around 1/2" so it forms an arc). Again, this is due to relatively little space between the buttons and the joystick (around 7"). I'm curious to get your reaction based on how you use hyperspace. I know it's a relatively uncommonly used button. I wonder if when you DO need to use it, you're moving your hand so fast to hit the button quickly that if I were to do the same thing on my 4 button cluster design, I'd end up hitting button 3 accidentally sometimes (or hitting both 3 and 4). It's probably not a big deal one way or the other I'd guess, but I'm just curious to hear what you defender/stargate experts think.
TOK:
See if this gives you the info you need. I didn't type this up, but I did use it. Measurements are metric though.
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(1) (2)
O (T)(F)
(R) (S)
(H) (I)
1,2 - 1 and 2 player start, tranparent red
O - up,down lever, red (can use a Joust stick)
R reverse, white
T thrust, white
F fire, white
S smart bomb, green
I inviso, red
H hyperspace, white
FYI, the defender layout was identical except that the 1 & 2 player
start buttons were white and there was no inviso. The wiring harness
for stargate will work on a Defender board set.
================================================================================
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All measurements are in cm
- plywood is 1.9 thick
17.1
*----------
|A 14.7 ^
| |
14.7 | 11.6 17.2 (from side)
| |
|B 7.35 v
*------
9.05
* is rounded and around 2.1 cm thick
- Angle A is 99 o while angle B is 101 o.
================================================================================
(looking down on top of control panel)
<- 62 ->
*----------------------------------------------------------------------------*
| |
| 2.5 |
| - 4.7 4.7 4.7 4.7 |
| | | 27.15 O O 27.15 O O 11.75 |
| | | <- 15.5 -> |
|12.9|O| 7.65 |
| | | O 18.4 |
| | | 9.7 |
| - O 10.65 |
|<- 18.5 -> O 21.25 |
| 29.45 O 29.45 |
| 4.7 |
*----------------------------------------------------------------------------*
- Os are buttons and joystick
- measurements are from CENTER of button hole THROUGH the number
- measurements are from the EDGE of the joystick THROUGH the number
- the measurements from the bottom would be if it was UNROUNDED!
- rounding starts 15.4cm from top
- button holes are 2.95-3cm across
- channel for joy is 2.45cm wide and ABOUT 6.7-7cm long