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TPB:



--- Quote from: javeryh on July 22, 2008, 04:16:06 pm ---
it really burns the wife when the credit card statement comes in with arcade-related charges.


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Apparently Wives are pretty much the same, all around the World.    ;)

If I purchase something arcade related on the credit card, the only way to keep the peace is to shell out for a "sweetener" on the next statement, eg, shoes or clothing.

But that can get expensive, so your "PayPal slush fund" is an idea worth considering.    ;D



RandyT:


--- Quote from: TPB on July 22, 2008, 08:46:38 pm ---Randy made the first "unsubstantiated attack", with his reference to Andy being "just about as sleazy as it gets."

Randy feels this product is similar to his own, but that doesn't mean it's identical - almost surely it isn't - with any similarity being purely coincidental.

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TPB, please understand that I am no longer speaking about the spinner situation.  This relates to the discussion in general.  What all of this is, is merely a difference of opinion.  You have, as demonstrated above, come to one conclusion, but that conclusion is also in no way at all substantiated by any form of fact or proof.  Therefore, by logic, it carries the exact same weight as my conclusion, or a completely different conclusion made by someone else.  It is simply your take on the matter, based on the same data that is available to everyone else.  You also misquoted me.

On the other hand, fervently defending your view, or trying to persuade others that yours is correct, is what adds fuel to fire.  I stopped, others stopped, but you just did this again in this post, and have once more prompted a response, that I will no doubt get hammered on for by a few select individuals.


--- Quote ---Andy has also felt some GGG products bore stark similarities to products that came before them, but his response was to quietly accept this in the healthy spirit of competition, rather than launching into a personal attack on another vendor :

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And here, you have chosen to give a pass to one of the participants, apparently due to the bias you have as part of your conclusion.  When one enters something into the discussion, it is because that individual wants those things to be considered.  Saying that you observed X doing Y but "didn't have a problem with it" is exactly like saying "but X did Y, so that makes everything ok".  Your ability to miss that subtlety, again, falls in line with your opinion on the topic, as is your entitlement.  But by the same token, understand that others may see it differently, as is their entitlement.

I am happy to let this rest for now.  Please be so kind as to do the same so that I may.

RandyT

RoomTenONine:


--- Quote from: TPB on July 22, 2008, 08:46:38 pm ---

--- Quote from: RoomTenONine on July 22, 2008, 04:55:57 pm ---
Just because you don't like someone's approach or 'tude doesn't give one the right to trash them with unsubstantiated attacks.


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Ultimarc and GGG both sell great products.

So it's a shame we're even discussing these matters.


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No doubt on the the product quality (especially seeing as they are copying each other...sorry I couldn't resist ;) )

It is a shame it has to be discussed and I think its fair to drop the subject all together in this thread.  Like I said before.  Randy could have proceeded differently to protect his legal rear, but then none of us would have the TT in our hands.  Its a Catch-22 that we could go round and round about for months.  Because of the cyclical logic of the situation it is really difficult to fault someone from being frustrated, but on the flip that doesn't give free reign for anyone to jump in and bash the "other" side.  In fact it is kind of disheartening to realize there are such divided sides.

I'm actually shaking my head and laughing while I type this.  I've been lurking here for about a year now and up until this thread I really had a different opinion of the forum...that it was this big happy love fest of everyone just wanting to build good cabs and controls.  Which in many ways it is, I was just surprised to see such a division included.

Cheers all and happy spinning no matter what you use.

TPB:



--- Quote from: TPB on July 22, 2008, 08:46:38 pm ---
Randy made the first "unsubstantiated attack", with his reference to Andy being "just about as sleazy as it gets."


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--- Quote from: RandyT on July 22, 2008, 09:57:04 pm ---
You also misquoted me.


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I think we'd all like to let this matter rest.  No-one benefits from these types of discussions.

One thing though, I'm not aware of having mis-quoted you.

Yes, I added emphasis to the "sleazy" term you used to describe Andy.

If I was submitting a University Thesis (as opposed to posting in a forum), I would have included a footnote to say "emphasis added" :



--- Quote from: RandyT on July 21, 2008, 12:53:02 am ---
It's unfortunate, however, that the "adoption" of yet another one of my concepts is necessary for him to "compete".  Apologies for the snark, but this is just about as sleazy as it gets.


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Andy read this remark the same way.

Understandably, he also focused on that term that was leveled at him :



--- Quote from: AndyWarne on July 21, 2008, 07:10:44 am ---
I do not consider adopting new technology "sleazy" just because another supplier is also using this technology. The KeyWiz uses the same chip as the I-PAC, no problem with that.


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RandyT:


I guess it's necessary to spell it out. 

The word was used to describe the action, as Andy seems to have understood based on his response, while you used it to describe an individual, which I did not do.  Ergo, you misquoted me.

Are we ok now?

RandyT

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