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RandyT:
--- Quote from: javeryh on July 22, 2008, 04:16:06 pm ---Randy - any reason why you don't accept PayPal?
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Yes...it's PayPal. I use it quite a bit myself, so it's a little hypocritical not to accept it. But I prefer our established merchant protections over the ones PayPal has been notorious for in the past. If it's a small order drawn on something other than a CC, and shipped domestically, people usually send me an email and I work something out for them.
Good advice from both Donkey_Kong and mountain on this subject, BTW. Satisfies all parties.
RandyT
RoomTenONine:
--- Quote from: vader on July 22, 2008, 04:09:40 pm ---Not that it matters to you Randy, but that was a perfect reply. I say just go ahead and pimp your products and let their quality speak for themselves, if you see someone who you think are infringing on your ideas, speak to them publicly. Keeps thing nice and tidy in here and we can talk about arcade stuff, not argue amongst ourselves.
props
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Agreed. I know I've kind of changed gears in this thread, but it is only after some careful thought of just how hard it is for smaller businesses to acquire patents of new designs on devices that are already common that I understand where Randy is coming from. I've also gone back through some older posts and I see a trend of some (not all and not even many) people having a feeding frenzy when Randy (or anyone else with a strong differing opinion) makes honest, but blunt comments. That doesn't sit well with me personally because the things I've seen attacked were honest observations. Just because you don't like someone's approach or 'tude doesn't give one the right to trash them with unsubstantiated attacks.
I don't want to sound like I'm pointing any fingers because I'm not. This is just an observation. What I'm saying is I think some people just need to relax on all "sides", have a sense of humor and remember that we are here because we love us some classic arcade games. Keep people.
RoomTenONine:
--- Quote from: javeryh on July 22, 2008, 04:16:06 pm ---Randy - any reason why you don't accept PayPal? I keep all of my arcade funds in a separate account (by selling random stuff on eBay) and it really burns the wife when the credit card statement comes in with arcade-related charges. When I pay through PayPal she never even sees it... yeah, a little off-topic...
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I do use paypal, but I get why someone wouldn't use them. Google the horror stories of consumers and business falling prey to the weak ID theft protection Paypal has offered. Their practices in general are questionable. Viral marketing, locking real people out of their OWN accounts, poor transaction protection, etc.
javeryh:
Sweet! I had no idea you could do those things! I need a NovaMatrix marquee light and I've been tentative about pulling the trigger.
TPB:
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Just because you don't like someone's approach or 'tude doesn't give one the right to trash them with unsubstantiated attacks.
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Ultimarc and GGG both sell great products.
So it's a shame we're even discussing these matters.
But Randy's not deserving of the "moral high ground" in this thread.
Randy made the first "unsubstantiated attack", with his reference to Andy being "just about as sleazy as it gets."
You can't make that comment, without expecting replies.
Randy feels this product is similar to his own, but that doesn't mean it's identical - almost surely it isn't - with any similarity being purely coincidental.
Andy has also felt some GGG products bore stark similarities to products that came before them, but his response was to quietly accept this in the healthy spirit of competition, rather than launching into a personal attack on another vendor :
--- Quote from: AndyWarne on July 21, 2008, 01:23:38 pm ---
Note that we were the first to launch a spinner with a rear-mounted detachable flywheel. When the TT2 was launched with this feature I didnt say a thing.
When a version of the KeyWiz was launched which has the same connector layout as the I-PAC I didnt either. Just seemed to be a reasonable advance as its a neater layout than the original.
I remember when the TT1 was launched thinking how much like the Tornado it seemed. A good product nevertheless.
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