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Level42:
Wait a minute ? Is that Xiaou2, who despises Sterns' new pinballs ?

Would you actually CONSIDER a device so NOT getting close to the real thing ?? Now I've seen it all !


Even if I would only have the space for one pin (which actually is about the case) I would ALWAYS prefer one REAL pin over any emulation stuff, no matter how fancy.


Level42:

--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on July 13, 2008, 07:10:47 pm ---
--- Quote from: pinballwizard79 on July 12, 2008, 10:54:02 pm ---But I wanted to say that I don't think this place (BYOAC) is the target demographic for such an item.
--- End quote ---

I decided to take the day away from the thread to see if I picked up any additional perspective and I did.

I noticed that the "haters", as Mr. Foley calls us, are not a bunch of MAME fanboys, but rather some of the more seasoned folks. They are folks who have 3,4,5,6,12,18 or 24 pins and vids, but just don't like the way that Mr. Foley has done business. I note that some of them are hobbyist/collectors and that some of them are folks who work/have worked in the industry.

I also find it interesting that the popular 2005 rage campaign against Mr. Foley (during which I commended him for posting here about his side of the story) was abandoned by the more casual MAMErs and that the people who object to him (myself included) actually are in the target demographic for the end product.


--- Quote from: pinballjim on July 12, 2008, 08:57:04 pm ---I dunno, guys, he legitimized emulation and got it mainstream with the UltraCade cabs.

--- End quote ---

When you said that, I thought about another guy, who also brought emulation to the mainstream.

Clay Cowgill.

And Clay has done a ton of stuff that actually has been good for the community.

And he is a nice guy.

And he never went after vendors in the community.

And I will support him wherever I get the chance.

 ;)


--- End quote ---
Actually, Clay is also "discussed" on the KLOV forum. He re-surfaced and says he's working on a new SW/ESB kit that will include a number of interesting new stuff.

I am NOT saying Clay is "bad" or something like that, I haven't ever dealt with him, I am just reporting something I've read on the KLOV forum , PLEASE let this be clear. I'd love to see that SW/ESB kit materialize.

It's strange, people who come up with really interesting stuff get debated at any point in time (Mark Spaeth is another "victim". I prefer to keep my options open.....

saint:
Clay Cowgill is one of the prophets of arcade gaming.

ark_ader:
I have never seen any piracy or distribution of copyrighted works, which have benefitted so many copyright owners as arcade roms have.

Namco has made money on classic arcade games for several console platforms, as have Capcom and Midway.  I bet the total value is astronomical.

Without MAME many of these games would just die away, but I can understand Mr Foley's idea of taking the MAME name for his own purposes with Ultracade - as the marketed system could have been just as easily named Multiple Arcade Machine Entertainment.

The closure of Ebay sites was a good.  Nobody should be allowed to profit from roms or copyrighted works.  Burning companies being the [sic] exception to the rule.

The fact that Mr Foley is entering this forum, even though his "actions" were unfavourable to the masses on this site, is quite a redeeming quality. 

The thousands of people out there who own complete romsets, should not have them,  unless they have paid for them.  Unfortunately the majority of these roms are considered abandonware, yet still hold some value.  What value except for Jakks and a couple of others.

If Mr Foley were to contact these said offended companies to offer a package to those who own these romsets, to make their collection legitimate like STAR ROMS tried to, would the community think differently?  How many out there would embrace such a concept?  It had to be realistic.

Apparently video gaming is still making more money, and is looking even stronger through this recession.  To a businessman trying to make money from legitimate products, this side of classic gaming is a losing battle.  I can understand the pinball direction.

I'm no fan of Mr Foley or his previous actions to the community, but his actions are not completely without merit.  Some of the products he is inventing is interesting. This pinball gizmo has got my attention.

I have read this thread from the start, and Jeffo is definitely being accurate.  I think Mr Foley will have to ride this bumpy episode out, and try to be more positive and less argumentative with established members of this board.

As I am quite sure that Mr Foley can still benefit from the feedback, and look to getting his PR up from the dirt.

protokatie:
OK..

Ich bin ein NEWB heir, can someone fill me in on this thread? Apparently someone (from what I can tell) is posting here again, but is somewhat unpopular due to transaction issues. Can someone clarify this for me? (Other than Turnarcade's website, I am not one to rush to judgement)

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