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Possible new interface - beta test it!
Ummon:
This sounds like that one someone posted a month or so back where it tracks objects including your fingers for trigger motions.
mhermann:
I'm interested in checking this out, my e-mail is mjhermann [at] hotmail.com
And I agree with wbassett. We are going to get rid of our light gun woes this year.
wbassett:
If we keep going with all these light gun threads Saint may have to break this off into its own light gun development sub thread lol.
Okay anyway... there may be a whole lot more to this than a lot of us first thought.
http://www.cabelas.com/hprod-1/0022706.shtml
This beta software will get us half way there, as in possibly work as a pointing and tracking device. Next we'd need a way to fire shots with a trigger button. This would definitely take some playing around with different things to use. It seems like any game pad or USB joystick recognized device would work after being hacked. There are plenty of realtively cheap game pads out there and even wireless ones. The question is though do they work with Mame?
I'm not sure about this so don't quote me on it, but I think the better resolution the camera is, the better the tracking and accuracy will be.
Some more questions will be if this software will track within Mame, and can two 'guns' be used? We now know the WaveIt seems to be pretty accurate and tracks well, but the buttons aren't recognized in Mame. I thought the Wii mote supported two guns, and it does with GlovePie, but again I'm being told not within Mame.
I have been having some offline discussions with someone about the Wii mote and Mame and it seems that you need GlovePie and PPJoy to get it fully working. (Maybe PPJoy will solve the WaveIt button problem?!)
Darwin and Stix are also being tossed around as possible contenders, but we really don't know enough about them to know how they work right now, and nobody (not even the company) really knows how much the Stix 200 will cost, and the Darwin is supposed to be around $100, a bit much if you ask me to hack and find out it won't do what we want.
So right now it doesn't look like we have an easy one step solution that is a Windows driver that's recognized as an HID and is totally plug and play. I have a spare video camcorder laying around, if I have time and don't get called for work this weekend I'll play around with it some with the beta software. In the meantime, can anyone provide a list of known game pads (preferably wireless) that work within Mame?
We'll get something working as a light gun soon I think, but I also think we have to keep the price down to something reasonable too. If it costs twice as much as a TopGun or single ActLabs gun setup and isn't any more accurate or easier to setup, then it's not worth the effort in my opinion. It has to be easier, cheaper (or around the same price) and most importantly- better!
If Cabela's site is for real and it isn't just a marketing gimick and hype, this type of tech is supposedly what the military and police use in their high tech simulators. All I ever got to play with was military style 'laser tag' guns for combat simulation, but that was pretty cool! Anyway, seems like this might be better than some of the other methods we're looking into but could also be pretty expensive by the time you add the expense of a decent video camera and then a controller for a trigger and other buttons, and don't forget the gun shell it will need to go into!
vertygo:
I'm already a beta tester for this, and I must admit my crappy cam didn't work very well, so I'll be upgrading shortly. However, when it did work, I tracked my wireless mouse and used those buttons for clicking, and it worked, was just awkward. Therefore, hacking the mouse parts into a decent gun case might work.
lanman31337:
Everyone who has asked should be receiving an email.
I asked Yaron (he's the guy I've been in contact with) a few questions for some solutions.
So a few questions on the software/hardware. If we use a higher resolution video camera, the tracking will be more accurate and stable vs a cheap 5 dollar webcam with lower resolution?
We're all testing it and have some great ideas for light guns for it. It tracks well, and if we use a usb mouse, we get our mouse clicks. Through Windows, the driver, is it a HID mouse or something along the lines? The lightgun solution i'm using comes with drivers that makes the device think it's a HID mouse, and uses light bars on the sides. It works, but accuracy isn't at the top, and you have to stand pretty far away to get it to register properly. Any possibility of the software tracking two objects at once? Reason for two objects is dual guns and possibly three for some games in MAME.
Thanks again for working on this, and thanks beforehand for answering the questions.