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Ed_McCarron:
--- Quote from: RayB on June 22, 2008, 11:36:33 pm ---Why would anyone WANT cars to run on water??! A bottle of water is way more expensive than the same amount of gas.
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Bottle yes, bulk no. Skip the bottle and fill your electrolysis system directly from the water main.
--- Quote from: RayB on June 22, 2008, 11:36:33 pm ---We're already in a delicate situation when it comes to water for general human consumption.
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Not as bad as you'd think. I work in the water industry - and every year my customers (the municipalities and private water companies) gripe that they have more water than they are allowed to sell because of the 'drought'. Whichever drought it is that is in vogue that year. Most water in my area is ground water from wells, not surface. Surface producing water companies are affected by the droughts as the rivers run lower.
When water starts getting expensive, desal plants will start getting cheaper. Our planet is 70+ percent water. Heck, use that solar energy to boil the seawater and collect the vapor as pure water. Then use the same solar to electrolyze the water. Theres your (almost) free H2.
It'll happen.
SirPeale:
Ever since hearing about the air powered car, I had the idea of starting a dealership for them. Putting filling stations all around the state (Vermont) and making a mint.
Apparently I can't do that yet because the cars have to go some kind of safety testing first. Dammit. 2010 at earliest.
Chemixtry:
This is pure b.s. just like perpetual motion machines, koniki foot pads, and ionic bracelets. As a chemist it irks me to no end to see people propagate bad science. As other people mentioned it take more energy in then you get out. Dissociating the O-H bonds in water takes more energy then is released during the combustion of hydrogen.
AtomSmasher:
--- Quote from: protokatie on June 22, 2008, 08:32:10 pm ---
But yeah, hydrogen powered cars would be great IF and ONLY IF we had a cheap renewable source of power to make the hydrogen.
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I read an article in the Auto Club magazine 6 months ago or so about how they're working with UCLA to make a hydrogen producing station that would run entirely on wind and solar power.
*edit*
I just did some searching and found a post I made back when I first read about it.
--- Quote from: AtomSmasher on September 02, 2007, 01:18:21 am ---I was just reading in Westways (the Auto Clubs magazine) and in an article on new hybrid cars they have a small blurb on Hydrogen fuel. Apparently the Auto Club teamed up with UCLA and constructed "a hydrogen fuel production and dispensing facility utilizing 100% renewable energy (initially wind, later to be supplemented with solar)." When used in a fuel cell vehicle, the only exhaust is water vapor, and if used in an internal combustion engine it burns cleaner then other fuel and produces no green-house gases.
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Namco:
I read an article that talked about using aluminum pellets in a tank of water. As the aluminum oxidized, it produced hydrogen, but the hydrogen pellets would need to be recycled every few hundred miles requiring as many aluminum pellet service stations as there are gasoline stations.
The problem is that these are all just articles. No action taken. I'm sure that if the best energy solution was put into practice with the same resources with which we refine and distribute oil, we'd all be able to make the switch. However in order to do that, we'd all have to stop using the oil first en masse.
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