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squirrellydw:
OK, I know the 1st website looks chessy but do you think it can work as they say?

Just want to know if you think it can work, what side affect or damage to the car it might cause etc.

www.water4gas.com

http://blogs.tampabay.com/energy/2006/10/heres_a_truly_o.html
this site has videos from FOX and CNN

Grasshopper:
It can't work because it violates the law of conservation of energy.

protokatie:

--- Quote from: Grasshopper on June 22, 2008, 04:30:13 pm ---It can't work because it violates the law of conservation of energy.

--- End quote ---

Yeah, no kidding. Water has amongst the LOWEST energy states of any compound. If it were an element it would be in there with argon and neon as a noble element.

Althought the air powered (pneumatic) car seems like a good choice.

EDIT: Here is a quote from the second link:
"In our Amsterdam laboratory we are producing hydrogen from water. That's our ultimate goal. That would be a remarkable solution to the world's energy requirements for mobility; to produce hydrogen from water where the only waste product from the fuel cell automobile would is water vapor. It's like perpetual motion, or an indestructible energy source.

Umm... 1. You dont "produce" Hydrogen from water, you are breaking it from the oxygen atom. 2. It takes as much (plus overhead) energy to break water as you get back from the hydrogen. 3. Hydrogen power is only a storage of power as it costs as much energy to "produce" 4. It is a very poor storage medium for several reasons (EG Hydrogen leaks through the tank walls, the tanks have to be very thick and heavy to store it under pressure, etc).

Jdurg:
Ummmmm yeah.  It's all ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- and will never work.  If you believe that you can power a car on water alone, then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn that I'm willing to sell you.  I would honestly like to know how they believe they can generate hydrogen gas from water without inputting more energy than you can get out?  I'd rather take the energy required to break down the water and use it to power the car!  I hate it when people who know absolutely nothing about basic chemistry and physics learn a tiny bit and try and come across as if they are geniuses.  Guess what.  You're not.  If it was possible don't you think it would have already been done and the company that did it would have made a bajillion dollars by now?

Jdurg:
Wow.  I just read through all of the comments on the second link.  I can't believe the number of stupid, gullible, completely idiotic people who are falling for this scam.  Even funnier when someone bashed the "inventor", he immediately showed up and starting lashing insults right back.  When someone asked for some type of scientific proof, he never opened his mouth.  Classic fraud.  All of the "I sat in the vehicle and saw it work" junk was stated without any proof.  No submissions to scientific papers, no colleague research/verification which is what science is all about.  In science, you publish your work so that others can verify its validity, and the fact that you published it gives you patent rights if you so desire.  These scammers haven't done any of that.  lol.

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