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richms:
the mac mini is a joke, and they have nothing between that and a mac pro that doesnt have a damn screen built into it.

building a hackntosh out of one of my pcs is on the to-do list, but all my current machines are crap or amd. Perhaps next upgrade I will pickup a core2 and mobo to play with.

Level42:

--- Quote from: richms on July 09, 2008, 08:59:21 am ---the mac mini is a joke

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Yeah, why ?

Level42:

--- Quote from: AtomSmasher on July 08, 2008, 10:48:37 am ---
--- Quote from: Level42 on July 08, 2008, 07:43:05 am ---A Mac is not expensive. You get more value for your buck. It will outlast any PC (in terms of being a usefull machine)  and stay in value much longer than any PC.

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_mini

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:laugh2:
If you like the OS more, thats one thing, but since they use the same hardware and yet cost more, the two things you can't say are that they last longer and you get more for your money.  Your statement just screams fanboy.

Heres a recent article showing that buying upgrades from the Apple store can cost 3 times as much then buying the same thing from Dell.
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39029450,49297849-2,00.htm

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READ what I wrote. I didn't say the LAST longer, I said they KEPT THEIR VALUE longer. When Apple updates OS X it makes it run FASTER instead of unbelievably slower. Because of that, a Mac of a certain age will run fine again for MORE time. Also 2nd hand Macs are worth more than 2nd hand PC's.
That's what I meant....


AtomSmasher:

--- Quote from: Level42 on July 10, 2008, 07:26:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: AtomSmasher on July 08, 2008, 10:48:37 am ---
--- Quote from: Level42 on July 08, 2008, 07:43:05 am ---A Mac is not expensive. You get more value for your buck. It will outlast any PC (in terms of being a usefull machine)  and stay in value much longer than any PC.

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_mini

--- End quote ---
:laugh2:
If you like the OS more, thats one thing, but since they use the same hardware and yet cost more, the two things you can't say are that they last longer and you get more for your money.  Your statement just screams fanboy.

Heres a recent article showing that buying upgrades from the Apple store can cost 3 times as much then buying the same thing from Dell.
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39029450,49297849-2,00.htm

--- End quote ---
READ what I wrote. I didn't say the LAST longer, I said they KEPT THEIR VALUE longer. When Apple updates OS X it makes it run FASTER instead of unbelievably slower. Because of that, a Mac of a certain age will run fine again for MORE time. Also 2nd hand Macs are worth more than 2nd hand PC's.
That's what I meant....

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RE-READ what I was responding to before telling me to read it.  You said "it will outlast any PC" and then added the qualifier that you mean it as "being a useful machine".  I assumed since I was responding directly to your post that I didn't need to include that qualifier, but I guess I was wrong.

Anyways, as I said its the same exact hardware as a PC so the viability of the hardware in the future is exactly the same, only the same exact hardware is more expensive when buying a mac.  It's possible second hand macs are worth more then PCs, I've never done the research, but I doubt the difference you gain when selling them is more then the difference you lose when buying a new mac.

Also, updates to XP have made it run faster as well, so thats not exclusive to macs, although you have to pay to get the upgrades on the mac while they're free on the PC (specifics on the actual costs can be found in the last Mac thread).   The major updates in the service packs have always increased speed, and the updates to Direct X have caused major improvements as well.

Similarly built PCs and Macs should maintain a similar amount of usefulness for the same amount of time.  Only a fanboy (on either side of the debate) will argue differently.

danny_galaga:

--- Quote from: AtomSmasher on July 10, 2008, 08:06:06 pm ---
Also, updates to XP have made it run faster as well, so thats not exclusive to macs, although you have to pay to get the upgrades on the mac while they're free on the PC (specifics on the actual costs can be found in the last Mac thread).   The major updates in the service packs have always increased speed, and the updates to Direct X have caused major improvements as well.

Similarly built PCs and Macs should maintain a similar amount of usefulness for the same amount of time.  Only a fanboy (on either side of the debate) will argue differently.

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ah, but if you upgrade that same pc from xp to vista, watch it turn into something ass-tastic  ;D i think that might be what level is referring to. whereas in Linux (and im guessing Mac) you CAN upgrade the OS for longer on the same machine without a drop in performance. If i had put Vista on this machine instead of Ubuntu, it would have run a lot slower for instance. Now it runs faster than XP. you come to accept that with windows. to me its actually pointless with windows to do that. better to buy a new pc that can handle the new OS and sell the old one with the most up to date version of the OS it was designed for...

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