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VOTE for a NEW LIGHTGUN...
TPB:
--- Quote from: Timstuff on June 13, 2008, 01:07:28 am ---
It doesn't really look much different from the old Topgun.
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Agreed.
About the only tangible difference is Vista compatibility. But that's irrelevant to most of us who are running Windows XP.
They've tinkered with the LED sensor bars (which are incompatible with the old ones), but I don't see why they bothered, as if you read their forum, it sounds like the "distance problem" (having to stand too far away) still remains.
Their only suggestion (nothing new) :
" user could mount the LED stands above and below so as to reduce the distance between the gun and the screen. "
From the Q&A page for Topgun II :
Q2) What is the different between EMS TopGun II and EMS TopGun ?
A) Here are the differences:
i) EMS TopGun II supports Vista (32bit) while EMS TopGun does not.
ii) LED stands of EMS TopGun II and EMS TopGun are different, and not compatible with each other.
iii) hardware calibration procedures of EMS TopGun II is different from that of EMS TopGun.
--- Quote from: Timstuff on June 13, 2008, 01:07:28 am ---
I'd like to have at it for that Sega gun casing mod I was toying with the idea of.
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That's a great idea. :)
wbassett:
Does anyone know or can confirm if they changed anything other than the firmware to support Vista and have new drivers (and if they really are new drivers or just reworked Smog drivers?).
I'm not being negative here, just asking a legit question... is this really a new model or just a new firmware update? The manual looks pretty much the same as the manual I have for my gun, and the gun looks the same too.
I hope to be using the new drivers this weekend after I swap my computers. If I have a problem, I can at least swap them back to a working system, but I am hoping it works. :)
Has anyone seen or used the 'wide angle' lens I saw mentioned on their site/forum that will decrease the distance required (but can reduce accuracy by up to 5%?).
TPB:
--- Quote from: wbassett on June 13, 2008, 01:50:31 am ---
if they changed anything other than the firmware to support Vista and have new drivers
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Yes, they've changed the LED sensor bars, which are incompatible with the old ones.
However, it appears the distance problem still remains, so it remains unclear why they tinkered with these bars.
A skeptical person might say they only changed the bars to FORCE those with an existing Topgun, to upgrade to TWO NEW TOPGUN II's if they want to have two player action.
An existing Topgun CANNOT be used in conjuction with a Topgun II, due to the incompatible bars. :banghead:
--- Quote from: wbassett on June 13, 2008, 01:50:31 am ---
have new drivers
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That's not necessarily a good thing.
There's no word from HK-EMS that the new drivers for the Topgun II, won't be as bad (when used with MAME) as the original driver for the existing Topgun.
Maybe there'll be another 2 year wait, before they release a customised MAME driver for the Topgun II. ???
--- Quote from: wbassett on June 13, 2008, 01:50:31 am ---
Has anyone seen or used the 'wide angle' lens they are supposed to have out now that will decrease the distance required (but can reduce accuracy by up to 5%?).
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Really ?
I thought they were just home-made remedies, not an official product offering.
Fozzy's made his own, using the lens from a mobile phone camera.
Here's the response from HK-EMS on their forum, while discussing the Topgun II, when a wide-angled lens was suggested to them :
" using a wider angle lens would affect the accuracy. That's why we are using the current lens. "
wbassett:
--- Quote from: TPB on June 13, 2008, 02:28:47 am ---
--- Quote from: wbassett on June 13, 2008, 01:50:31 am ---
if they changed anything other than the firmware to support Vista and have new drivers
--- End quote ---
Yes, they've changed the LED sensor bars, which are incompatible with the old ones.
However, it appears the distance problem still remains, so it remains unclear why they tinkered with these bars.
A skeptical person might say they only changed the bars to FORCE those with an existing Topgun, to upgrade to TWO NEW TOPGUN II's if they want to have two player action.
An existing Topgun CANNOT be used in conjuction with a Topgun II, due to the incompatible bars. :banghead:
I agree, why did they change them then if it didn't improve the distance you have to stand back. Wasn't that one of the complaint's people have?
--- Quote from: wbassett on June 13, 2008, 01:50:31 am ---
have new drivers
--- End quote ---
That's not necessarily a good thing.
There's no word from HK-EMS that the new drivers for the Topgun II, won't be as bad (when used with MAME) as the original driver for the existing Topgun.
Maybe there'll be another 2 year wait, before they release a customised MAME driver for the Topgun II. ???
I asked because the talk is about the new drivers for the original TopGun. Is the new TG II the same drivers or something new with new hardware? It looks like it's more of a Vista compatability improvement than any real change over the original gun. In other words... other than being able to use Vista (which I don't have) is there any other reason to buy the new gun rather than just use the newest drivers?
--- Quote from: wbassett on June 13, 2008, 01:50:31 am ---
Has anyone seen or used the 'wide angle' lens they are supposed to have out now that will decrease the distance required (but can reduce accuracy by up to 5%?).
--- End quote ---
Really ?
I thought they were just home-made remedies, not an official product offering.
Fozzy's made his own, using the lens from a mobile phone camera.
Here's the response from HK-EMS on their forum, while discussing the Topgun II, when a wide-angled lens was suggested to them :
" using a wider angle lens would affect the accuracy. That's why we are using the current lens. "
--- End quote ---
The reason I was asking is I looked at their new manual and the gun and manual and gun look exactly the same as what I have now.
Can you or anyone give any indication of how much of an accuracy improvement there is with the new drivers? Is it say 5%, 10%, ten fold? And are these new sensor bars any better during the day? I don't have any problems at night with lights on, but sometimes during the day my gun flakes out.
aljupy:
Thatīs normal.
Direct Sunlight or some IR lighti will interfere with your topgun.
Sometimes it advice you with a "blinking" laser.
Solution is to put your courtains, or be careful with reflecting surfaces.
TOPGUNS with a b/1 mark, have a special driver to see if you have some IR reflecting on surfaces.
Ah!!! Direct sunlight also affects the Guncons, the Actlabs, and every brand for users, even in some arcades
Regards
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