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LCD TopGun as HID-Mouse
wbassett:
ak I think this is pretty much a one sided debate, nothing is going to be as good as the TopGun to Xiaou2. That's fine, he's entitled to his opinion.
If the new drivers work as well as people are reporting they do, then I'll be happy too but it still does not change my opinion that we have a commercial company that after several years finally got it right. My point is you don't go to market like that and this should have been fixed a long long time ago.
They still have a problem with Vista and if reading their forum and time line on how long it took to come to the conclusion they cannot support Vista with the current hardware, don't look for any new hardware anytime soon... or expect buggy drivers just like we've had to deal with for the past couple of years.
Again I want to say and emphasize there is a lot I like about the gun and I think it has a lot of potential but I also have the opinion that the company has some problems resolving complaints.
One of the biggest things I dislike about this setup are those ugly LED sensors. It's not even them as much as it is the cords. If I do go with this as a permanent solution, I'll most likely do a redesign on the LEDs so it is more integrated and doesn't look like something stuck to the front of my cab.
At least I tried to state my issues in a clear and consice manner and even pointed out pros and the gun's strongest points. I never once resorted to name calling, that to me is a sign the debate doesn't have much to stand on.
I spent some more time reading through sites and forums on both ActLabs and EMS's sites, as well as more reviews. It's pretty obvious that people have had problems with ActLab guns too, but I wouldn't say EMS is anywhere near 100% perfection or customer satisfaction either.
The problem as I see it is we are a very small niche market and there just isn't enough market or money to entice companies to make PC light guns. If I were using a TV then it would open the door to a lot of GunCon2 guns that are out there, but I have the desire to be able to play some computer games on my cab from time to time too.
The Wii mote is probably the most viable alternative, and from what I have read the GunCon 3 uses Wii technology... but again it is a PS3 exclusive item. It does work though and seems to work well too.
ActLabs dabbled with similar technology too, but ultimately dropped that line. They had the ACT LABS Senigital Arcade Gun, which was totally plug and play and stated to work on any display technology, but it just wasn't as accurate as the other guns they were selling. You can still get them for $20, and I may pick one up just to check it out... but if it were $40 or $60... nope, too much to pay for something just to 'check out' when I already know it was an abandoned technology.
Someone will come up with a rival gun that works with a PC and CRT/LCD technology, just as EMS will have no choice but to figure out the Vista problem and soon. Eventually Vista will replace XP, and LCD is already replacing CRT technology. The arcade purists will still go with arcade crt monitors and CRT based guns and use whatever OS works, but some people want to use Vista and LCD... so there is a market, but like I said a very small one. Competition is good though and I wish we had more than basically two 'players' in the PC market, and pretty much only one for the non-CRT market.
TPB:
--- Quote from: wbassett on June 09, 2008, 04:43:17 am ---
I think this is pretty much a one sided debate, nothing is going to be as good as the TopGun to Xiaou2. ...
I never once resorted to name calling, that to me is a sign the debate doesn't have much to stand on.
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... still implying that Xiaou2's opinion is less worthy than your own, due to his supposed "bias" ?
wbasset, you're entitled to trash the Top guns if you like, and I guess I'd feel the same way if I purchased a gun that need repairing from the outset due to a broken wire ... that must have really sucked. :o
But you appear to be jumping on a "moral high horse", proffering your opinion as somehow more worthy than that of Xiaou2.
Where did he resort to name calling ?
The only thing he mentioned was :
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on June 07, 2008, 10:09:22 pm ---
wbassett,
You are way too hard on them.
--- End quote ---
That's hardly "name calling", unless you're hyper-sensitive.
On the other hand, you then you proceeded to belittle his opinion by suggesting some sort of bias on his behalf ... which is akin to name calling :
--- Quote from: wbassett on June 08, 2008, 06:03:08 am ---
BTW... Xiaou2, do you work for hkems or something? You really came off sounding pretty bad and biased towards ActLabs. I have no personal affiliation with either company ...
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wbasset, both your opinion AND that of Xiaou2 are worthy. :)
There doesn't have to be a "winning opinion".
If Xiaou2's happy with his Topguns, allow him the liberty to state that. Given he has first-hand experience with both the Topguns AND the Act Labs guns, his opinion is well grounded.
If you guys want to continue this stoush, how about taking it to another time, and another place : ;)
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=80979.0
wbassett:
--- Quote from: TPB on June 09, 2008, 08:49:00 am ---
--- Quote from: wbassett on June 09, 2008, 04:43:17 am ---
I think this is pretty much a one sided debate, nothing is going to be as good as the TopGun to Xiaou2. ...
I never once resorted to name calling, that to me is a sign the debate doesn't have much to stand on.
--- End quote ---
... still implying that Xiaou2's opinion is less worthy than your own, due to his supposed "bias" ?
wbasset, you're entitled to trash the Top guns if you like, and I guess I'd feel the same way if I purchased a gun that need repairing from the outset due to a broken wire ... that must have really sucked. :o
But you appear to be jumping on a "moral high horse", proffering your opinion as somehow more worthy than that of Xiaou2.
Where did he resort to name calling ?
The only thing he mentioned was :
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on June 07, 2008, 10:09:22 pm ---
wbassett,
You are way too hard on them.
--- End quote ---
That's hardly "name calling", unless you're hyper-sensitive.
On the other hand, you then you proceeded to belittle his opinion by suggesting some sort of bias on his behalf ... which is akin to name calling :
--- Quote from: wbassett on June 08, 2008, 06:03:08 am ---
BTW... Xiaou2, do you work for hkems or something? You really came off sounding pretty bad and biased towards ActLabs. I have no personal affiliation with either company ...
--- End quote ---
wbasset, both your opinion AND that of Xiaou2 are worthy. :)
There doesn't have to be a "winning opinion".
If Xiaou2's happy with his Topguns, allow him the liberty to state that. Given he has first-hand experience with both the Topguns AND the Act Labs guns, his opinion is well grounded.
If you guys want to continue this stoush, how about taking it to another time, and another place : ;)
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=80979.0
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It wasn't personal name calling towards me, it was the 'CrapLabs' comments I was refering to.
I stated several times the strong points of the TopGun and cited a comparison to another similar gun that I own that uses LED sensor bars and similar technology.
Anyway, your comments are duly noted and I won't say any more on this topic and fuel any fires.
TPB:
--- Quote from: wbassett on June 09, 2008, 09:51:40 am ---
It wasn't personal name calling towards me, it was the 'CrapLabs' comments I was refering to.
--- End quote ---
Oh, OK, now I see where you were coming from.
wbasset, please report how you go, once you install the new Topgun driver on your new PC. :)
Fingers crossed it'll work well ... otherwise you'll be back to doing this ... :banghead: