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Does the PS3 SUCK ?
Daniel270:
In all fairness, unless Sony plans on releasing games that will use the Blu-Ray function for the video aspect of games (like possibly Final Fantasy cutscenes), they should've released a basic system without the Blu Ray option instead of the multil-size hard drive choices. Cut about $150 off the price tag and still make a modest profit.
patrickl:
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--- Quote from: DaveMMR on May 31, 2008, 03:45:53 pm ---But when the PS2 was released, it had a low, UNIFORM price point
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I paid about $1000 for my PS2. I hardly call that a low pricepoint.
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What you paid an opportunistic 3rd party and what it actually costs when purchased at retail are two different things. In the US at least, the PS2 was released at $299.
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That was retail. Maybe the exchange rate was slightly different though.
:edit: Ah oops, messed up the exchange rate :-[ It was more like $450
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--- Quote ---Meanwhile, the PSP has been out for over 3 years and I still feel that everyone who mentions the system talks only about the movie watching capabilities.
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It's more like 2.5 years,
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I have to warn everyone that my figures and quotes are US-centric. The PSP was released here in March of 2005, making it over 3 years old.
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I didn't notice you suddenly changed the subject to PSP. Not sure why you did, but I was talking about the PS3. Which was launched at the end of 2006.
--- Quote ---I know I rant about this sometimes but in all reality, those that are looking for a Blu-Ray player AND a next-gen system will find that the Playstation 3 is an outstanding choice. But again, it would have been nice to those just want gaming to not be the unwilling participants in the expensive format war.
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I'm sure there were people complaining about the same back when the PS2 was launched. Why did they put an overly expensive DVD player in the PS2? It would have worked perfectly well with a CD player and could have launched for $100 less. Maybe even the same with the PS1. Why on earth put a CD player in there? Who needs 650MB disc when a 32MB cartridge works perfectly fine?
Sony has a bit more vision though and designs these consoles to have a 10 year lifetime. So they go with the technology to accommodate that life span. It took quite a while before the DVD player of the PS2 was actually put to good use, but still. It happened. With the Xbox 360 they will never be able to incorporate HD material in the games. The PS3 is able to do so and I'm sure they will.
I'm personally glad that Sony does have the vision to make sure their console works with future improvements in software in mind and/or that $100 extra for a Blu-Ray player is a good buy. More people are buying PS3's now than Xbox 360's so apparently more people are coming to this conclusion.
shmokes:
There are a large number of games for both systems (the vast majority) that run in HD, some in full 1080p. I have read from at least a couple of developers, though, that they are already filling up BluRay discs completely. I don't know if they were talking about single-sided (25 GB) or double sided (50 GB), but either one is a helluva a lot bigger than a double-sided DVD (9 GB). All those high-res textures for 1080p games take up a lot more space than what was needed for Xbox and PS2 games. On the other hand, GTA IV and Oblivion seem to fit on a DVD and they seem pretty big. Worst case scenario is that some Xbox 360 games will be mulit-disc affairs. We've dealt with that in the past and it hasn't been too bad.
Daniel270:
Not a problem with me... been there, done that with the Final Fantasy VII game quite a few times. Multiple discs are fine.
DaveMMR:
--- Quote ---I didn't notice you suddenly changed the subject to PSP. Not sure why you did, but I was talking about the PS3. Which was launched at the end of 2006.
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My original post was about Sony's direction with their Playstation brand in general, which included the PSP. Sorry for the confusion.
--- Quote ---I'm sure there were people complaining about the same back when the PS2 was launched. Why did they put an overly expensive DVD player in the PS2? It would have worked perfectly well with a CD player and could have launched for $100 less. Maybe even the same with the PS1. Why on earth put a CD player in there? Who needs 650MB disc when a 32MB cartridge works perfectly fine?
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I don't think there were many complaints with the PS2's inclusion of DVD playback because it launched at the same price point as the last generation (PS1). There was no sudden, dramatic price increases to compensate. Also, DVD was fairly established by then (beating out Divx discs) so there was less risk of having worthless technology in your investment.
And I'm sure no one complained about PS1's CD-playback considering their machine was $100 cheaper than Sega's offering (the Saturn) and being able to play CDs was something even the Sega CD (Mega CD) was able to do.
--- Quote ---Sony has a bit more vision though and designs these consoles to have a 10 year lifetime. So they go with the technology to accommodate that life span.
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Okay that's just paraphrasing Sony's marketing department. That was pretty much their way of justifying their decision to price it unconventionally high. And it's great that they want their technology to last 10 years, but they'll still be competitors releasing more graphically powerful consoles in 5 (well except Nintendo). ;)
--- Quote ---It took quite a while before the DVD player of the PS2 was actually put to good use, but still. It happened. With the Xbox 360 they will never be able to incorporate HD material in the games. The PS3 is able to do so and I'm sure they will.
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I'm sure the PS3 will use the Blu-Ray to the full extent on their machine, but at what cost? Games that take longer to load (or that have to be partially installed)? Ten hours of cut scenes with phoned-in dialog? In fairness, I'm sure there will be a few games that will use the insane amount of space available wisely. Hopefully, it will be the standard rather than the exception, but history has taught me otherwise.
--- Quote ---More people are buying PS3's now than Xbox 360's so apparently more people are coming to this conclusion.
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True. But more people are buying Wii's than 360's and PS3s. And if you're counting all generations, the Playstation 2 beat all three new consoles last holiday season. Some people just want to play games...
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