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patrickl:

--- Quote from: DaveMMR on May 31, 2008, 07:45:24 am ---The same way the PS1 and PS2 did (if I'm understanding the question correctly).   ;)   It should be "Here's a game machine (it also plays movies but that's a bonus)" instead of "Here's a new movie machine, we have a couple of games coming out for it too!". 
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What earth shattering game did the PS2 come out with then? I bought the PS2 close to release and there wasn't an even remotely worthwhile game on it for a long time. I think mine came with Ridge Racer (which sucked). Gran Turismo 3 only came out a year later.

I'd say it was the same with the Wii. The Wii came with Wii sports which is basically a small demo. At first only a game like Zelda was worthwhile and only a few months ago did the Wii lineup start to include some real games of the "must have" category

It takes a while for good games to be finished and they won't be ready at the launh of a console. It's actually pretty common for the first great games to start appearing about a year to year and a half after launch of a console.

The PS3 actually had some pretty good games available from day one. Like:
- The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Bethesda Softworks
- Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas Ubisoft
- Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 Electronic Arts
- Call of Duty 3 Activision
- RIDGE RACER 7 NAMCO BANDAI Games
- Tony Hawk’s Project 8 Activision
- Madden NFL 07 Electronic Arts

Besides, they were talking about the DVD player of the PS2 a lot more back then than now about the Blu-Ray player in the PS3. DVD was a huge step forward and DVD players where pretty rare still. Blu-ray just not is a big deal for most people.

DaveMMR:

--- Quote from: patrickl on May 31, 2008, 08:51:40 am ---
--- Quote from: DaveMMR on May 31, 2008, 07:45:24 am ---The same way the PS1 and PS2 did (if I'm understanding the question correctly).   ;)   It should be "Here's a game machine (it also plays movies but that's a bonus)" instead of "Here's a new movie machine, we have a couple of games coming out for it too!". 
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What earth shattering game did the PS2 come out with then? I bought the PS2 close to release and there wasn't an even remotely worthwhile game on it for a long time. I think mine came with Ridge Racer (which sucked). Gran Turismo 3 only came out a year later.

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I'm not even referring to specific games at this point.  I'm just looking at what is my impression of Sony's direction with their gaming division that, as a consumer of their goods, I find slightly dissatisfying. 

Yeah, the PS2 had a crappy launch lineup as did the PS1 (well, actually the PS1 was a little better).  But when the PS2 was released, it had a low, UNIFORM price point and it was designed as a game machine with almost 90% backwards compatibility with its former library.   True, it was purchased as a primary DVD player by many in Japan, but it was technology that was a few years old and already fast working towards an affordable price here in the states. 

The PS3, on the other hand, launched at $200 ~ $300 more than it's previous two consoles because they wanted Blu-Ray in there.  Sure, those discs can hold 50GB which is mighty impressive, but you'll have a hard time convincing me that half that space isn't going to waste.  Actually what I envision is 5 extra hours of cut-scenes that somehow ties together the little bits and pieces of action where you're actually controlling what's on screen.  Of course, its nice that you get to watch Blu-Ray movies on it, but, as someone who was originally planning on getting a PS3 (before the initial price announcement), it would have been nice to have a choice between next-generation games OR next-generation DVD's.  I still have an old TV and I'm not repurchasing my DVD collection, so Blu-Ray is pointless for me right now.   But if I want a PS3, too bad for me, I still have to essentially pay for a player I may not use anytime soon.

Meanwhile, the PSP has been out for over 3 years and I still feel that everyone who mentions the system talks only about the movie watching capabilities.  I hardly ever hear actual games discussed*.  Yeah, there's more than a enough decent games for the system and I've managed to find a couple that I enjoy, but I've turned mine into a NES emulator/portable movie player.   

(* Of course this thread pops-up and throws my comment in the crapper.   :-\)

Sony's not all that foolish.   There's more moneymaking potential with a movie format than with games.   I'd bet anything that they'd throw their entire Playstation brand off a steep cliff to establish Blu-Ray as the ONLY option for purchasing discs. 

patrickl:

--- Quote from: DaveMMR on May 31, 2008, 03:45:53 pm ---But when the PS2 was released, it had a low, UNIFORM price point
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I paid about $1000 for my PS2. I hardly call that a low pricepoint.


--- Quote ---The PS3, on the other hand, launched at $200 ~ $300 more than it's previous two consoles because they wanted Blu-Ray in there.
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Nonsense. The Blu Ray player doesn add that much. Anyway, Sony was taking the loss for that initially. The PS3 had the same price as the Xbox. The reason the Xbox is getting so cheap now is the dollar (and of course that MS and Sony can now produce the consoles without taking a loss). I'm amazed sony is keeping the price of the PS3 in the US so low actually. Overhere a PS3 costs $600 (400 euro)

BTW the original PS3 had almost complate BC didn't it? They only dropped it recently (well only PS1 is left).


--- Quote ---Meanwhile, the PSP has been out for over 3 years and I still feel that everyone who mentions the system talks only about the movie watching capabilities. 
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It's more like 2.5 years, but the only one mentioning the Blu-Ray player was me. The reason I mentioned it was because for me it's the only distinguishing feature between the Xbox and PS3. Xbox 360 has better online (although it costs money) and PS3 has a Blu-Ray player. Besides that there is hardly a difference. Well I guess price and that the PS3 is much less restricted than the Xbox (ie lets you install Linux and is able to stream media from any system instead of only through a proprietary MS format which only MS software supports)


--- Quote ---I hardly ever hear actual games discussed*. 
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GTA IV has it's thread and I mentioned Race Driver GRID.

Samstag:
The PS3 doesn't suck.  It's a nice machine, if ugly and unstackable.

The game library sucks, as does the cost of Bluray movies.  Both of those are slowly improving.  I was thinking again about picking up one for $300 but after looking at the upcoming game releases there's nothing I want that I can't get for the 360.  And after Toshiba folded, I stocked up on dirt cheap HD-DVDs, so I'm set for a while.

DaveMMR:

--- Quote from: patrickl on May 31, 2008, 05:13:18 pm ---
--- Quote from: DaveMMR on May 31, 2008, 03:45:53 pm ---But when the PS2 was released, it had a low, UNIFORM price point
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I paid about $1000 for my PS2. I hardly call that a low pricepoint.
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What you paid an opportunistic 3rd party and what it actually costs when purchased at retail are two different things.  In the US at least, the PS2 was released at $299. 


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--- Quote ---The PS3, on the other hand, launched at $200 ~ $300 more than it's previous two consoles because they wanted Blu-Ray in there.
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Nonsense. The Blu Ray player doesn add that much. Anyway, Sony was taking the loss for that initially. The PS3 had the same price as the Xbox. The reason the Xbox is getting so cheap now is the dollar (and of course that MS and Sony can now produce the consoles without taking a loss). I'm amazed sony is keeping the price of the PS3 in the US so low actually. Overhere a PS3 costs $600 (400 euro)

BTW the original PS3 had almost complate BC didn't it? They only dropped it recently (well only PS1 is left).
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You're telling me a sudden jump of way above the average cost of a recently launched new system because of the Blu-Ray player isn't that much?  Well, perhaps compared to a stand-alone, yeah it isn't.   But to those who couldn't care less about higher quality DVD watching, it's $200 extra for something they don't need but have to take.  That's like three or four new games (those games that Sony needs to be selling to make back it's initial loss).   ;)

Again, the last two generations, Sony had the magic $299 price point.  The launch prices for the PS3, when announced, seemed almost like a cruel joke to everyone in attendance at the press conference.  Sony defended the "sticker shock" with arrogant hubris (read some of the quotes from Ken Kutaragi).     

But, OOPS, some gamers actually want to play games and found that the Xbox 360 is comparatively powerful with a similar lineup of games, but much cheaper.  So what does Sony do?   Lower the price by getting rid of GAMEPLAY features (i.e. backwards-compatibility).   After that decision, it still seems to me their more interested in having a movie machine in your house than a game machine.
 

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--- Quote ---Meanwhile, the PSP has been out for over 3 years and I still feel that everyone who mentions the system talks only about the movie watching capabilities.
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It's more like 2.5 years,
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I have to warn everyone that my figures and quotes are US-centric.  The PSP was released here in March of 2005, making it over 3 years old.   


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--- Quote ---I hardly ever hear actual games discussed*. 
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GTA IV has it's thread and I mentioned Race Driver GRID.
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You quoted that from the paragraph discussing PSP games (and the lack of actual discussion - though in fairness, I soon posted a link on this board that somewhat debunked that claim).

I know I rant about this sometimes but in all reality, those that are looking for a Blu-Ray player AND a next-gen system will find that the Playstation 3 is an outstanding choice.   But again, it would have been nice to those just want gaming to not be the unwilling participants in the expensive format war.

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