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CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: patrickl on May 13, 2008, 08:13:25 am ---I cannot find the donate page mentioned on the main site anymore. I found http://arcadecontrols.com/donations.php on Google, but does it still work?

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Yep ... is actually linked to in the News bar periodically.

EDIT: Thanks for the reminder ... I need to get another of Frosticillus' shirts ...

Zero_Hour:

--- Quote from: shardian on May 13, 2008, 03:10:56 am --- All I can say is, WTF is up with that selfish piece of ---Cleveland steamer---? He could have locked the forums down and left it available to view the database of theories.

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Sure he could have, but it's not his responsibility to do so.  :dunno

OK that sounds a bit harsh, and I do sympathize. There's nothing more disappointing than a much enjoyed site closing shop. I think sometimes people forget that the sites where these communities develop are not owned by the users, and any site can disappear on any given day. I've lost count of how many of my 'favorite sites' have vanished over the years.

shmokes:
I think it is his responsibility to do so.  Obviously not a legal responsibility . . . but he has an ethical responsibility to the community to which he is a member, just like you have a responsibility to call the police if you see someone breaking into your neighbor's house.  It's just the right thing to do. 

He appears to just be on a power trip.  From the sound of it (having only read the OP) he could easily have just divorced himself of the thing and turned it over to someone who cared.  But he appears to be deriving satisfaction out of the fact that he has the power to hurt people.  That's lame, and everybody has a responsibility to avoid hurting others.  An Olympic swimmer can legally sit by a swimming pool and smoke a cigarette while watching a child drown, so long as he didn't cause the kid to fall in the pool.  That doesn't mean that he has no responsibility to help the kid.  It just means he has no legal duty to help him.  Those are two different things.

CheffoJeffo:
Perhaps this thread would be better used to appreciate what saint does and puts up with (I know that I'm grateful -- he hasn't banned me ... yet), as opposed to being pissed about someone who had his users push him too far. I would bet that those users didn't show him much appreciation for him to feel as he did.

Nobody owes you anything ... if they give you something, particularly something valuable, be sure to let them know that you appreciate it.

 :cheers:

SavannahLion:

--- Quote from: shmokes on May 13, 2008, 08:31:18 pm ---I think it is his responsibility to do so.  Obviously not a legal responsibility . . . but he has an ethical responsibility to the community to which he is a member, just like you have a responsibility to call the police if you see someone breaking into your neighbor's house.  It's just the right thing to do. 

He appears to just be on a power trip.  From the sound of it (having only read the OP) he could easily have just divorced himself of the thing and turned it over to someone who cared.  But he appears to be deriving satisfaction out of the fact that he has the power to hurt people.  That's lame, and everybody has a responsibility to avoid hurting others.  An Olympic swimmer can legally sit by a swimming pool and smoke a cigarette while watching a child drown, so long as he didn't cause the kid to fall in the pool.  That doesn't mean that he has no responsibility to help the kid.  It just means he has no legal duty to help him.  Those are two different things.

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Shmokes, you have an excellent point. However, let's send in the Devil's Advocate and look at it from his point of view. Users of any forum have a certain amount of responsibility to show some measure of responsibility towards the owner and (if any) staff of a particular forum. Sounds to me that, if this guy is on the up and up, he's sick of the crap he receives and is tired of babying a bunch of thirty-somethings who still live in their mother's basements. To take your swimmers example, what if that kid was the same kid who would piss/---Cleveland steamer--- in the pool, spray graffiti in the showers and destroyed the arcade cabs in the rec room? The Olympic swimmer may have an ethical responsibility to save the kid, but since the kid didn't exactly keep his end of the ethical responsibility, it doesn't give the swimmer a whole lot of incentive to save the kid, does it?

I've been involved in all aspects of forum life, from owning one, moderating, even right down to daily technical maintenance of a forum. Nothing sucks worse than setting down a reasonable collection of rules and having people ---Cleveland steamer--- all over them. Or having some idiot  :censored: :censored: skript kiddie make numerous attempts at compromising your forum. Or having members of your forum declare "war" against another forum causing both forums to be brought down in a DDOS attack from both sides, never mind that both forums were running on the same server. I've seen so much stupidity that I've been tempted, numerous times, to kill any forum I ran, just like this guy

Saint is very fortunate. He has cultured a community here that respects him (for the most part), his forum and his work here while establishing a delicate balancing act of fairness and openness. Not every forum, no matter how good the owner and moderators are, can make this kind of claim.

I'm not arguing this guy is right, your points are very legitimate. I'm appalled that a great resource of information (as it were) is now lost. I'm saying that I see it from the owners side and I can't really blame him.

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