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What a horrible thing to do to a child.
SavannahLion:
--- Quote from: SithMaster on April 10, 2008, 01:57:56 pm ---Since I don't have kids I have no perspective from their side and it seems to work for dogs (at least the ones that don't extend). It still seems a little demeaning. Although the need for leashes is interesting since I don't believe they were used on children a few decades ago. Anyone have any info on that?
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To begin with, they've been used in various forms for as far back as I can remember. I don't recall them being commercialized up until about ten or twenty years ago.
Irregardless of whether they were used a decade ago, that kind of thinking is dead end. Thirty years ago, car seats weren't even an option. Babies would be held in someones lap then eventually relegated to a seat like the one below if they were fortunate. Leashes are no different. It affords parents a greater variety of child caring options than before. Especially at a time when there are a growing number of families that don't enjoy child rearing support from friends and family members.
At this point, I'm going to cut out on this conversation. Astonishingly lame comments by Shmokes (shock collars?) and Jdurg (leash attached to the neck?) make such a discussion not even worth my time. I'll just make this final parting note, I'll take peoples advice into consideration, but never ever tell me that what I'm doing is wrong. Rather than telling people what they can't do with their children and interfering, get off the self righteous horse and advise and educate parents on child rearing techniques. Better yet, how about offering to baby sit once in a while? You'll get much better results than following Chadtowers asinine reaction to beating a parent up.
Sorry guys, enough is enough. Have fun.
shmokes:
:'(
Don't ever tell you that what you're doing is wrong? I think it's wrong to spank children. To a lesser degree, I think it's wrong to put your kid on a leash. What do you want me to say? "I wonder Savannah, query whether superior alternatives to child leashes exist . . . " Don't be such a Sensitive Sally. And learn to smile a little. The shock collar was obviously not a serious suggestion. It was a jab at whoever said that physical punishments become abuse when they start leaving marks. It was plugging the premises into a syllogism to show the absurd conclusion they lead to (and hence the unsoundness of at least one of the premises):
Putting kids on leashes is okay.
Using physical punishments to control behavior is okay so long as they don't leave marks.
Shock collars may be used with leashes to control behavior.
Shock collars do not leave marks.
Therefore, using shock collars on Children is an acceptable behavior modification technique.
Ed_McCarron:
--- Quote from: shmokes on April 10, 2008, 08:21:31 pm ---
--- Quote from: shardian on April 10, 2008, 08:58:24 am ---
I plan on using a harness in crowded places when my girl starts toddling around full blast. I tend to get distracted, and I don't want to be the person running around screaming "Where's my baby".
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Considering the original topic, and the healthy dose of righteous indignation I'm seeing here, is there any chance I could interest you in a shock collar? Why not kill two birds with one stone? It ain't gonna leave a mark.
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Trust me, the thought has crossed my mind.
Oh, wait, you mean for a kid? I thought you were volunteering.
FrizzleFried:
--- Quote from: shmokes on April 09, 2008, 08:01:42 am ---
--- Quote from: havic626 on April 09, 2008, 07:31:00 am ---
(discipline is one thing, beating is another).
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It's a matter of degree. Articulate for me the difference between discipline and beating. Any adult who will do violence to children is an idiot. Some are just bigger idiots than others.
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People discipline their children in different ways. To equate a simple "spanking" on the bottom with something like this is ---smurfing--- asinine. Way to go Shmokes...
Dartful Dodger:
How many times will a kid purposely touched a hot stove?
My guess would be 1.
Pain as punishment works. Life is full of other examples.
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