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ChadTower:

--- Quote from: SavannahLion on April 09, 2008, 05:17:05 pm ---However the 6yr old was out of control, hiding in the clothes rack (same thing I did at his age), lagging behind, and generally being a nuisance. He was leashed but apparently the child knew how to disengage the harness.

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Gee, do you think the behaviour had anything to do with the fact that his parents were literally treating him like a dog?  Leashes are not for people.  They are for animals.  Every time I see some lazy parent walking their kid like a beagle I want to throw the parent down on the ground and play "why you hitting yourself" for an hour.

Level42:
A recent law here forbids parents (or anyone else) to hit a child in any way or form.

My kid is the kind that can be handled without needing too much correction. There have been maybe one or two times where I had to act seriously ....  I remember when my dad had that certain look (wide open eyes) I was scared enough and it usualy works very well on my son too.

Of course it's not the "perfect" kid (I'd be pretty worried if my kid wasn't trying out his limits !), but I see a lot of parents around me having a lot more trouble than we do.

Chad are you seriously saying people have kids on leashes over there ?  :o :o :o :o

shmokes:
It's such a load of nonsense.  Parents who spank do not have better behaved kids than parents who don't.  Christ, even those of you advocating spanking, in your own anecdotes, almost always have one nightmare kid and one perfectly behaved kid.  How do you explain that?  They spank the good kid and use timeouts with the other?  This is not a question of keeping your kids in line.  People who don't spank are every bit as able to keep their kids in line as those who do.  My brother has two daughters (11 and 13) who are the best behaved kids I've ever seen (and always have been), and they've never been spanked in their lives.  They are also the most talented kids I've ever seen, one in sports, the other in art and music.  Does that prove that spanking makes kids behave badly?  No, of course not.  It just as likely means that my brother is just lucky.  More probable than that is that their kids are well behaved (and extremely talented) because their parents give them a great deal of love and attention, and the kids would likely be similarly well-behaved if my brother and his wife used spankings as punishment.  They'd just grow up with a less healthy relationship with their parents, and would learn as a fundamental principle of life that it's okay to use violence or the threat of violence to control the behavior of people who are weaker than you. 

Hell . . . my wife has never been spanked in her life, and she's a million times better than me.  She's never been in trouble in her life.  She gets mad at me when I make a U-turn where it's not legal, even if it's 3 in the morning and the streets are deserted. 

RTSDaddy2:

--- Quote from: shmokes on April 09, 2008, 07:26:06 pm ---It's such a load of nonsense.  Parents who spank do not have better behaved kids than parents who don't. 
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I'm frightened....it seems that recently every day that passes  I find more and more I agree with shmokes on.   ;D

Seriously though, I agree.  I believe in spanking, my wife doesn't....so sometimes spanking works when nothing else will as an attention getter,  my kid has also learned to behave just fine thank you, without it as well.   We use a point system primarily and she knows she gets a movie with a parent of her choice once a week based on how good she is.  When she gets too old for that, we'll find something else she likes.

She's a great kid, and I bet in the five 1/2 years of her life I've swatted her three times on her bottom and said "No."  You've just got to go with what works....and while a swat on the bottom (to my way of thinking) ain't never hurt nobody for long, BEATINGS do no good at all.

edit: and while I'm at it, let's turn this kid's murderer  loose in a room with some of Vick's pit bulls...see if there's anything of him left to even have to worry about prosecuting.  Maybe lather him up good with Jim Dandy first.  Yeah, you're damn right I've got no sympathy for his sorry behind.

SithMaster:

--- Quote from: Jdurg on April 09, 2008, 12:17:22 pm ---Today, kids have their cell-phones, DVD players, portable video game devices, televisions, etc. etc. and parents aren't willing to take away all of the entertainment sources the kids have.  Kids are learning that they have nothing to fear from their parents or guardians because they won't have anything taken away from them if they misbehave.  When there is no negative reinforcement, the kids learn to do whatever the hell they want.  It's sad really.   :'(

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Im really surprised no one has mentioned that girl that was beaten by her "friends."  It seems like parents don't really care about their kids.  They just scoffed at the idea of punishment and I really hope they get treated as adults so jail time is handed out.  While beating as a punishment is wrong I think in some cases (see above) deserve such a punishment.  Being a parent isn't easy, but when I see the kids from my town acting like idiots or those on television for doing something stupid (basically the youtube and myspace whores) it makes the case that there are many parents who should have never had kids.  Then you have this f'd you generation going on to raise another generation of f'd up kids.  Maybe parents should beat their kids.  Or read parenting books.  One of those two extremes.


--- Quote from: ChadTower on April 09, 2008, 06:26:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: SavannahLion on April 09, 2008, 05:17:05 pm ---However the 6yr old was out of control, hiding in the clothes rack (same thing I did at his age), lagging behind, and generally being a nuisance. He was leashed but apparently the child knew how to disengage the harness.

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Gee, do you think the behaviour had anything to do with the fact that his parents were literally treating him like a dog?  Leashes are not for people.  They are for animals.  Every time I see some lazy parent walking their kid like a beagle I want to throw the parent down on the ground and play "why you hitting yourself" for an hour.

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But Chad wouldn't that be like beating a child?  A really big child.


--- Quote from: RTSDaddy2 on April 09, 2008, 08:31:54 pm ---
--- Quote from: shmokes on April 09, 2008, 07:26:06 pm ---It's such a load of nonsense.  Parents who spank do not have better behaved kids than parents who don't. 
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I'm frightened....it seems that recently every day that passes  I find more and more I agree with shmokes on.   ;D

Seriously though, I agree.  I believe in spanking, my wife doesn't....so sometimes spanking works when nothing else will as an attention getter,  my kid has also learned to behave just fine thank you, without it as well.   We use a point system primarily and she knows she gets a movie with a parent of her choice once a week based on how good she is.  When she gets too old for that, we'll find something else she likes.

She's a great kid, and I bet in the five 1/2 years of her life I've swatted her three times on her bottom and said "No."  You've just got to go with what works....and while a swat on the bottom (to my way of thinking) ain't never hurt nobody for long, BEATINGS do no good at all.

edit: and while I'm at it, let's turn this kid's murderer  loose in a room with some of Vick's pit bulls...see if there's anything of him left to even have to worry about prosecuting.  Maybe lather him up good with Jim Dandy first.  Yeah, you're damn right I've got no sympathy for his sorry behind.


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I'm glad you found something that works.  Just make sure she doesn't become materialistic too early in her life.

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