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ChadTower:

--- Quote from: shmokes on April 03, 2008, 04:24:58 pm ---I have never been in a situation like the one Shardian describes. 

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That's very obvious.  There is no amount of logic or reason you can apply to set a bad boss straight.  There are bosses that will ride you too hard and not care - there are bosses you don't know what they are doing and leave everything to you to fix - there are bosses that steal credit for your work without shame.  I've been in his situation a couple of times and, frankly, he's not an idiot.  If it were that simple he'd have done it by now.

SithMaster:

--- Quote from: ChadTower on April 02, 2008, 01:50:03 pm ---
Triple check the COBRA suggestion... they may not be required to offer it to you if you leave voluntarily.

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shmokes:
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Yes, Chad, I'm aware that you have seen everything and done everything.  But that's just nonsense.  IIRC, even your position was that he should stay at his current job while he looks for another -- that he shouldn't eat into his safety net unless he absolutely has to.  As is commonly the case, you're arguing for the sake of arguing.  Is your position that he should stay at his job and, even if he honestly doesn't care one way or the other whether he gets fired, he should continue putting up with inappropriate behavior by his boss?  Just because I haven't been in a position where I've hated my job so badly that I was at my wit's end, doesn't mean, as I pointed out, that I haven't had individual supervisors attempt to treat me inappropriately.  And in at least one case it was certainly something that would have turned into the situation Shardian describes if I'd allowed it.

It's not like I'm telling him that all he has to do is stand up for himself and his problems will magically go away.  That his employers won't respect him until he learns to respect himself.  I'm not suggesting anything like that.  I'm saying that he should stay at his job (just like you're saying), and continue to collect a check while he is actively searching for a job that he won't hate.  And while he's staying at said job, he should stop taking ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- with a smile.  That if he doesn't care whether or not he gets fired (and for unemployment purposes might even prefer it), his remaining time at the company won't be half so hard to tolerate if he overtly stands up for himself.

ChadTower:

--- Quote from: shmokes on April 03, 2008, 05:08:14 pm ---  And while he's staying at said job, he should stop taking ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- with a smile. 

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You have to have been working for people like that to get it, apparently.  You take the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- with a smile or you take your ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- and pack it in a box with security standing there watching you.  Bosses like that aren't interested in common good or anything resembling it.  Give shardian some credit - if there were a way for him to make his bosses see reason let's just assume he'd have done it by now. 

shmokes:
And then he collects unemployment, which is preferable to the alternative.  He said himself that he doesn't care if he gets fired.  So why would he let the fear of being fired dictate his behavior?  I assure you that I harbor no delusions that Shardian is going to shake off his chains and his oppressors will all have a moment of clarity and everything will be for the best in the best of all possible worlds.  What I think is that regardless of what Shardian's boss thinks, Shardian will be happier, much happier, if he truly approaches his job as though he REALLY does not care if they fire him.  I'm not talking about insubordination.  I'm talking about what I said.  Thinks like, "I'm sorry, I can't do that.  I simply do not have time.  If you want me to do that then I can't do X, Y, and Z.  You'll have to choose because I cannot do both."  And, while it's possible, and even probable that Shardian would actually just get away with this behavior, with virtually no repercussions, save for a more pleasant work environment, the worst thing that can happen is that he will no longer work there any more.  Which is his ultimate goal.  Except now he gets unemployment while he looks for new work.

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