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| RoninEditor:
Oh, sorry, I meant like, ya know, on Donkey Kong, in the original, you could almost fire a quarter off it the pushbutton because of the pop it had, LOL. Like, the bounceback, great for shooter games like Galaga, nice tight springs. Don't get me wrong, these Happ buttons will be fine (when I finish prepping this CP) but I was hoping for something closer to the stuff I remember as a kid. It looks great though, good shape and all of that. |
| RoninEditor:
--- Quote from: mazzmn on March 31, 2008, 10:45:33 pm ---What happened to the leaf switch replacement for micro switches. Did people not like them? --- End quote --- Mazzmn... I should clarify, I've been doing a ton of research in my years lurking on here but I finally am putting it into action and invested into the hobby now, cut my MDF, ordered a ton of parts, etc... but I'm not clear on what 'makes' a button springy, I've just been told that the original leaf buttons are the ones with the good feel to them, not sure what makes them so good, the spring or the leaf. I'd honestly prefer to keep it microswitch but there are no leaf to microswitch converters, are there...? |
| Zobeid:
--- Quote from: mazzmn on March 31, 2008, 10:45:33 pm ---What happened to the leaf switch replacement for micro switches. Did people not like them? --- End quote --- I have asked about those, I wanted to try them. All I can find out is that they aren't available right now. There is supposed to be another batch of them eventually, and I was told to watch for the announcement here on BYOAC. And that's all I know. I had no problem getting Micro-Leaf switches from GGG, so that's what I'm using. |
| Xiaou2:
The things you describe are caused by the design of Happs buttons. The button in made from flexible plastic. Its fairly loose in tolerances, so it will rattle a little from side to side. Its button top is hollow underneath, and the shape of that hollow tube causes that 'hollow sound' and 'cheap feel'. The Wico leaf buttons are designed completely different. They use a much smaller diameter 'Solid' cylinder... and the base tolerance is much tighter so they dont slosh around as much. The plastic they use is much stiffer too. As for Microswitches themselves... there are various 'feels' to them. Some are very easy to depress, but dont have a very strong Pop when they activate. Kinda mushy. Sometimes this is simply the result of worn or old micros... which eventually fail. Of course, there are some micros which are so very crisp and are pronounced - but really, they are too stiff for log play durations and rapid fire games. Leafs are great for certain types of games. Quicker responses, less fatigue due to less pressure needed. And more. But, they can get out of adjustment sometimes, and need to be cleaned occasionally. They are not the best for fighter games in joysticks... as sometimes leaf joys can be a little 'flippy' with diagonals when using stop-n-go movements. |
| Zobeid:
--- Quote from: RoninEditor on March 31, 2008, 10:49:50 pm ---I'm not clear on what 'makes' a button springy, I've just been told that the original leaf buttons are the ones with the good feel to them --- End quote --- There are two things that make a button springy. There's a spring inside the pushbutton housing itself, and there is also a spring in the microswitch. (Or in the case of a leaf switch, the leaf acts as a spring.) It's the combination of the the button spring and the switch spring. You can open up a pushbutton and adjust the spring. You can make it stiffer by stretching it a little, or you can put in some kind of spacer to give it more tension. With a microswitch you also have a snappy or clicky action, which I think is what you mean by "pop". You apply pressure up to a certain point and then the switch snaps down with a loud click. Some microswitches have a stronger snap than others. Leaf switches do not have this snap effect. Some people like a stiff spring, some like a soft spring. Some like a hard snap and loud click, so they'll know it registered. Some people want a smooth action with no click. It sounds to me like you are looking for a stiff spring and a strong snap. I suggest giving Zippy microswitches a try, if you can find them. They seem stronger than Cherry switches. |
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