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Hi,

If you require advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes with regards to faults, where to get parts etc by all means leave a post.

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2008, 02:06:13 pm »
Welcome ami-man !!   (Alan)

You've helped me in the past on my AMI Disco 200 project.

Very helpful indeed.

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2008, 10:42:22 pm »
Just moved a rowe ami 200 model r-85.father in law got it free from a friend next door.It was hooked up to external speakers in basement with remote volume control.that stayed at the house.Had to dismantle part of it because the thing is a beast.Well anyway,I hooked up the amp and jukebox speaker 2 lower 2 upper.I think the volume control is bad or the speakers.the amp seems ok.I did all wire harness inspections seems ok.would like some input on any common problems.I will probably be writing.otherwise it operates fine,other than no sound.Ran out of time today.Jukebox is in very nice condition.this has the central control computer.serial number 1001040. Jukebox was given loaded with 45's.I will post some pics.Need info on parts and wire scematics.spend some time tommorrow testing the circuits for proper voltage,resistance,continuity. :blah:

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2008, 10:49:32 pm »
If the volume control is not hooked up there will be no sound. Same if the speakers and/or output transformer assembly is not plugged in.

If the external remote volume control is not hooked up, then you need to connect the machine's regular volume control which sticks out the back wall of the machine on the outside. Here is how that should be wired:

Red wire to "VOL" terminal and black wire to "COM" terminal on the terminal strip.

Manuals are available to purchase from www.victoryglass.com

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2008, 11:01:38 pm »
Ok I found two wires tied off to the side under the strip.Must of missed them.I will trace them back to make sure these are for the volume control.thanks

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2008, 04:39:45 pm »
Anyone know the pinout for the external speaker setup on an AMI Disco 200 (R-83) ?
And how they connect to the terminal strips inside ?

Specifically talking about the seven wires coming from the transformer unit up to the terminal strips.
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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2008, 06:49:24 am »
Hi Kevin,

Long time no hear.

What info do you need on R-83 Disco, is it the output package cable information you need or the connections above the amplifier compartment door?

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2008, 09:56:16 am »
Probably a combination of both.

I'm trying to reconnect the external speaker wire harness that goes from the output package to the compartment door that has the terminal strips on it.
There's seven wires and they all have spade terminals on the ends that plug into the terminal strips on the compartment door above where the amplifier would be.
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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2008, 04:19:26 pm »
I have a rowe 200 disco, ran good for 2 days after I purchased it, left the unit on both days..when I went out to work on it the slection said, select a new record..it would do nothing! Record spins,if I manually turn the gears and the needle sets down it plays..wont do anything after that..I have to rotate the gears again to put the record back...any ideas? I think I can troubleshoot with help here and not have to pay $70.00 an hour..not cheap but could run into money I don't have.Purchased a new manual on it..diagrams,trouble shooting, etc. I know nothing of boards,diodes..etc..I am trying process of elimination...can anyone tell me what or which piece I should pull and get checked first? Thank you..it's a r-83  Disco 200, 1979 I think.

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2008, 10:10:12 pm »
The troubleshooting guide in the manual would be the first place to look since it covers many common problems/cures.

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2008, 02:13:36 pm »
I have a rowe wallbox hooked to and HCD-1 hideaway unit, I purchased a remote volume control. How do I wire the volume control into the HCD-1?

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2008, 03:18:08 pm »
This link shows you the wiring from the remote volume control to the terminal strip inside the jukebox or hideaway:

http://arcarc.xmission.com/PDF_Jukebox/Rowe_AMI/Rowe_Volume_Controll_Wiring_1968_to_Current.pdf

If you have the "Dual Channel" (dual mono) remote volume control you use 4 conductor wire to run between the remote and the juke. The normal remote volume control uses 3 conductor wire. Usually 22 gauge stranded cable is what I use.

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2008, 11:39:29 am »
Hi Zabukie,

If your jukebox is a Rowe Ami R-83 Disco you will need to pull the following boards for testing & repair.
Memory Unit  301-07855
Mechanism Control Board  401-06905
Selector Logic 603-08060

We always test these as a set of boards when ever possible to avoide future problems.
These boards use cmos chips and can be damaged by static discharge.
Leave metal plates and the plastic covers in place when handling and sending away for repair.

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2008, 12:18:43 pm »
I have a Rowe R-83 Disco 200 JB and am looking for a replacement volume control (potentiometer) assembly.  Does anyone have the specifications for this part?  The part number in the repair manual is 2-01799-00.  The numbers on the back of the pot are 3-06285-01 and R1378804. Radio Crack has a number of pots but I need the specs so I know what to purchase.  Thanks.

Patrick
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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2008, 12:30:36 pm »
Just measured mine and it is a 10K Ohm pot.
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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2008, 03:49:38 pm »
That should be a 10k audio taper pot. Radio Shack # 271-1721 will work, but the bushing diameter is smaller.

Happ Controls sells the exact genuine Rowe replacement pot.

Happ # 30628501 is about $11.

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2008, 10:20:59 am »
Thank you very much.  Bought it last night and will install it today.

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2008, 03:33:34 pm »
Hey Ken, You've helped me so many times,I need your advise again.
I had to replace the control assembly on my rowe wallbox because the "rowelink" wasn't connecting with my HCD-1. When I plugged in the "new' control assembly the rowelink worked and I was able to program the songs by number from the wallbox to the HCD-1. Now the wallbox won't let me tpye in any numbers. I put the old control assembly back on to see what happens and although I still don't connect with the HCD-1 the number keys work fine. Can you help me?

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2008, 01:18:17 pm »
Sorry we never bought any wallboxes for our cd jukes. In fact the only wallboxes we had on our route were old Seeburg 200 selection models from the 1950's hooked up to a Seeburg LPC1 in a restaurant. That installation was in operation from 1960 to 2002!

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2008, 07:53:37 pm »
I have an HCD-I Rowe and cannot get any sound from the external speakers,I  can put my ear to the speakers and hear the music very faintly. Am I wiring the speakers improperly to the output trans.? I replaced the amp recently,but could it still be that? The external speakers work fine (I wired them to my stereo.) What checks can I run?

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2009, 05:21:13 am »
Hi Sprag256,

What is your amplifier number?
Have you connected the input correctly?
Have you connected the volume control correctly?
Is the long 13 pin jumper plug in place and is it the correct way round?

Post your replies or contact me directly.

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hi,new to this
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2009, 10:26:23 am »
hello everyone.nice to meet you all
being new here,i,m giving this my best try to do it right
i,m looking for help with a rowe r-93 jukebox
this one plays 45 ,s and cd.
all the sudden the outside selection button display is not lit.looking further i,ve found the computer control display not lit either,there is a lite lit for the 8 volts on the computer control.
your help would be appreciated.thanks!


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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2009, 05:21:54 am »
Hello speck7,

I would check out the connection pins out on the pcb on the power supply for dry joints (cold joints in the USA) the long connector that comes from the transformer may be the problem area.

If the above is ok then check out the other boards in the jukebox.

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2009, 01:07:54 pm »
thanks for the help.
i,ve checked those pins and all seems ok with the power supply.all the lights there indicate voltages.i saw no signs of burnt or bad contacts.
could the computer be the trouble?what would you check for on that.thanks

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2009, 06:38:53 am »
Hello Speck7,

If you put the service switch into service does the display give any error messages?

Have you checked the display board for dry joints to the connection pins?

You have not said but does the Mechanism (carousel) scan round and then stop when you switch the jukebox on?

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2009, 09:11:58 am »
hello ami-man
when i put it into service there are no messages or any lights lit on the ccc computer display at all.just that 8 volt light is lit.i,ve checked all the joints/pins with an ohm meter to be sure they were contacting on the ccc computer,they checked ok.when i tried to scan the mechanism,nothing,it doesnt move.i also noticed the mechanism computer looks dead.no lights nothing.and the amp has no lights lit either when the machine was on.

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2009, 05:46:26 am »
Hello Speck7,

I think now is the time to send in your boards to a professional for testing/repair.

If you are in the USA I would suggest Bruce Wentworth at  www.abjukeboxrepair.com
or in the UK you could send your boards to me.

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2009, 08:48:02 am »
hello alan
i found the ccc was the problem.its been Addressed and the box now plays.it seems the sound is about i,d say only at the half way or so point as far as how loud it plays.could it be the amp?i,ve checked the tone arm wiring and it appears to be ok.i,ve heard that many people say we should always replace those large capactors.do you agree?

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2009, 11:04:31 am »
Hello Speck7,

I never change capacitors unless they are faulty. These large capacitors keep the DC voltage stable if you had a problem on them you would get some noise coming through the speakers usually buzzing.

Is the volume control connected and connected correctly?
What tappings are the phono speakers connected to on the output package?
E6 left and E6 right are the loudest outputs on the output package, usually you would connect the pink and violet cables to the E6 connections the black would normally go to E1 right.


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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2009, 06:54:24 pm »
hi alan
checked and found each speaker wires were on left E5 right E6 and black to
right E1
moved them to F5/F6  and now theres like a loud hum that i didnt notice before that fades in and out with the sound now.

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2009, 07:44:44 am »
Hello Speck7.

If you lift the tone arm so it stands upright (so the record is not playing) Is the hum still there?
If it is not then your problem will be with the styli or cartridge.
If the hum is still there then use a extension speaker with the phono speakers disconnected so you can test each side of the amplifier at the output package.
I would also test the outputs direct at the amplifier incase there is a problem with the output package.

Let us know how you get on with the testing.

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2009, 01:19:32 pm »
Hi There,
I have a CMM1 Caddette it all works but the records stick/jump about half way through.
some are scatched but other look fine.

I have a new stylus to fit but it looks slightly different from the one fitted even though it is supposed to be the correct one.

I want to check the counter balance on the arm what is the best way to do that?

any advice gratefully received.

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2009, 05:50:15 am »
Hi Dean,

If that stylus looks different then more than likely it will not be the correct one. It could be that the old one fitted is incorrect and this is why you are having problems.
Does the cartridge have a number on it? or does it just say Rowe Ami. If it says Rowe Ami it will be a M44C cartridge and will require a N44c stylus. It could have been fitted with the earlier M77 or the later M75 cartridges.

With regards to the balance of the arm to do it spot on you would require a sylus force gauge, these are available from around £10 to £50 for a digital gauge, check out google.
I would check out all the adjustments on the tone arm and transfer motor in your manual and set the mechanism up accordingly.

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2009, 02:00:03 pm »
hello alan.
heres an update on our last message.
i did just what you recommended with the tone arm cartridge.
the hum seems to have disappeared.i dont think it was the cartridge though,might had been how the wires inside ran around it.
the box plays now.the sound is ok.
it still does not seem to have the full volume.even when its turned all the way up.
you can hear the smaller speakers,but they are not loud.the records seem to play as if the singers are talking low.the bass is there but not screaming loud.i,d guess its like being turned up half way.
you know for a jukebox one would expect it to have the volume,punch to it.compairing this to my rockola model 450 and if i crank it all the way up,it screams !
this rowe r-94 just plays like as if i had my 450 turned half way up.
am i expecting something here that i shouldn't?
this is my first rowe jukebox.

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2009, 06:25:54 am »
Hello Speck7,

One thing we have not touched on is the way the cartridge wires are conected to the cartridge.

Rowe Ami since around the mid 70's have achieved enhanced bass in a number of ways.
With the 64 watt R-2179A amplifier that had the same in phase output on both channels they inversed one side of the input. On the 130 watt amplifier that should be in your jukebox the output is inversed so the input must be in phase.

I suggest that you look at this.
If you have the R-93 manual look at page 2-24 it shows the the cartridge to amplifier wiring . It shows where the coloured wires should go to.

Please let us know how you get on.

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2009, 10:07:05 am »
Hi,

I have just found out that the forum at www.jukeboxmadness.com is up and running.
Early days yet but in the past it was a great forum.

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2009, 12:27:37 pm »
That's the one that was hacked by the Russians a while back isn't it?

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2009, 03:52:27 pm »
Hi, Ken,

Yes it was. Pity that it was hacked it was a good site.
I see you have become a member of the jukebox madness forum.
They have a problem with the operation of the site at the moment but i am sure they will sort it out.

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« Reply #38 on: March 31, 2009, 04:23:54 am »
Hi,

The problems I had with the www.jukeboxmadness.com forum seem to have been rectified.

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Re: Advice on Rowe Ami jukeboxes
« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2009, 08:54:25 am »
hello again alan
heres what i found where we last spoke of this sound problem i,ve had.
i was chatting to a guy who was retired in the vending business and he suggested to use a 9volt battery to verify the speakers.i did just that and both the top door speakers were found to be blown.
imagine how that happened??
anyway found a set thru a local vender and now it plays just perfectly.
all the trouble i had to find something so small wrong.
but could had been much worst.
your help has taught me a lot that i didnt know,i want to thank you for that.
dave