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Analog Stick guns?
Fozzy The Bear:
--- Quote from: TeutonicDarkness on March 24, 2008, 08:20:53 pm --- What I'm thinking Is this:
Has Anyone Designed a Mame guns that simply sits on
top of a Joystick like Terminator 2 did?
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It'd be an easy one to do if you really wanted to.... However, TelcoLou hit the nail on the head. Unless you're building a dedicated static shooter cab or fitting swappable panels, then they'd get in the way of everything else.
The thing is that that they don't just sit on top of a Joystick.... they do have an up/down (back to forward) movement like a joystick, but the other axis is not side to side like a joystick, but a rotary twist for the left to right of the gun.
In actual fact Act Labs released a gun that was just a thing, siting on top of a joystick.... it was a miserable failure and very very difficult to play anything with. I think it was called something like "The Mousegun" or something similar... anyway, to cut a long story short, it was crap!
The other problem with pot based guns like the T2 ones, is that they only work well with pot based shooter games. On top of that, there are still problems with the interpretation and use of POT based inputs in Mame. Jurassic Park is a case in point, where guns track very badly even after calibration.
If you really want some of those, then pick up a set of T2 Guns off e-bay (they sell for next to nothing most of the time) and you can very easily interface them to a PC and Mame.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
TeutonicDarkness:
--- Quote from: padstack on March 24, 2008, 08:24:39 pm ---You might want to grab that flame-retardant suit... And check the search while you're at it...
Time for the forum wrath to rain down!
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What is that suppose to mean...?
Yes I have Searched very extensively at least
the last 3 years.
Which is the exact reason I made this post.
TeutonicDarkness:
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It'd be an easy one to do if you really wanted to.... However, TelcoLou hit the nail on the head. Unless you're building a dedicated static shooter cab or fitting swappable panels, then they'd get in the way of everything else.
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You are probably right it just seems there would be a way if it
was used on a wide enough control panel and placed cleverly enough.
Though I admit I have no experience designing control panels..
--- Quote ---The thing is that that they don't just sit on top of a Joystick.... they do have an up/down (back to forward) movement like a joystick, but the other axis is not side to side like a joystick, but a rotary twist for the left to right of the gun.
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Yes I am aware of that I should have been more technical in my
first post.
But Maybe a mechanism of some kind that could rotate
as a gun would need to. Wither it be a sit on top solution
or independent it could send key signals to Mame as a regular
Mame joystick would.
--- Quote ---In actual fact Act Labs released a gun that was just a thing, siting on top of a joystick.... it was a miserable failure and very very difficult to play anything with. I think it was called something like "The Mousegun" or something similar... anyway, to cut a long story short, it was crap!
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Yeah everything I ever heard about the mouse guns was Bad..
My point is I can control all those game like Terminator, Area 51,
etc.. right now with just a joystick and it works.
Just if it had a more of a way to aim like simply holding a
gun in your hand.
--- Quote ---The other problem with pot based guns like the T2 ones, is that they only work well with pot based shooter games. On top of that, there are still problems with the interpretation and use of POT based inputs in Mame. Jurassic Park is a case in point, where guns track very badly even after calibration.
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Well I know what your saying which is my I was thinking/wondering
of a Mame-Joystick route.
--- Quote ---If you really want some of those, then pick up a set of T2 Guns off e-bay (they sell for next to nothing most of the time) and you can very easily interface them to a PC and Mame.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)
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That is a interesting thought though probably not
a permanent solution. I would not begin to know how to interface
them; Would seem like a waste just for a handful of games as
much as I loved Terminator.
Maybe it just not a do-able solution don't know
just seems it would defiantly be more compatible.
At any rate...
thanks for your input!
Teutonic Darkness
u_rebelscum:
IIRC, someone here had a removable pair of joystick guns on his cab, but I can't fine it ATM.
--- Quote from: Fozzy The Bear on March 24, 2008, 08:59:27 pm ---The other problem with pot based guns like the T2 ones, is that they only work well with pot based shooter games.
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They should work as well as lightguns on lightgun games. At least, the u360 in analog mode works well on the lightgun games I've played. Why do you say they'll only work well with POT games?
--- Quote ---On top of that, there are still problems with the interpretation and use of POT based inputs in Mame. Jurassic Park is a case in point, where guns track very badly even after calibration.
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I agree calibration will be the problem. Depending on the POTs used and the windows driver and driver settings, and mame settings, and the original game coding the mame's emulation code, ;D a joystick gun might track well in the center but not the edges or vice versa, or good in X axis but not Y or vice versa. Then again it might be on site on the whole screen.
I haven't tried jurassic park, though.
Fozzy The Bear:
--- Quote from: u_rebelscum on March 25, 2008, 02:40:58 pm ---They should work as well as lightguns on lightgun games. At least, the u360 in analog mode works well on the lightgun games I've played. Why do you say they'll only work well with POT games?
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They should! being the pertinent phrase there..... My experience is that a set of T2 guns tracked very badly in the tests I did with them on nearly everything except the pot based shooters.
--- Quote from: u_rebelscum on March 25, 2008, 02:40:58 pm ---I haven't tried jurassic park, though.
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Do try it, it's at least good for a laugh..... The problems may have been fixed in the more recent versions of Mame, haven't tried it in the last year. But the last time I looked at it the guns would track OK for half of the screen, then refuse to track at all past that point.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)