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FrizzleFried:

You are correct that Ghosts haven't been DISPROVED...as God hasn't been DISPROVED...but neither have been proven either.  So yes,  they are the same as Santa Claus,  The Easter Bunny,  and The Tooth Fairy because they too haven't been DISPROVED either.

...and no,  I tend to believe there was never a "knowing God"...if you are talking about an energy source that is one thing...but a self-aware creator?  Doubtful.

Justin Z:


--- Quote from: ChadTower on March 14, 2008, 12:07:47 pm ---
--- Quote from: Justin Z on March 14, 2008, 12:02:21 pm ---There is overwhelming evidence for the majority of the things you just listed

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Which things and where is the overwhelming evidence?

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--- Quote from: ahofle ---I think he means us living on a big rock in space, orbiting around a sun which is made out of burning gas, etc.
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Yeah, exactly, sorry I wasn't clear on that.

To sum up: Lots of evidence for us living on a near-spherical planet in empty space that orbits around a large, 20 million degree, near-sphere of hydrogen and helium; ghosts, not so much, despite the "craziness" of both ideas.

Justin Z:


--- Quote from: MaximRecoil on March 14, 2008, 03:14:53 pm ---"God", or, a "first mover" has to exist, or has to have once existed at least. Logic demands it. If there was ever nothing, there would still be nothing; by default. So "God" doesn't exactly fit into your list. "Ghosts" don't fit into your list either, simply by virtue of millions of sincere adult witnesses.
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Why?

Is it necessary that for there ever to have been something, that something else must have "created" it?

If so, you are forced to explain the existence of something infinitely more complex than the universe.  To use something more complex than the universe, like a "first" mover, to explain the existence and complexity of the universe has put you at an even more difficult place than when you started: Explaining what caused the "first" mover.  So I suggest you rethink your position.

MaximRecoil:


--- Quote from: ChadTower on March 14, 2008, 03:17:06 pm ---
--- Quote from: MaximRecoil on March 14, 2008, 03:14:53 pm ---Your statement here is not a fact.

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You don't get to redefine is either.

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You don't quite have the hang of that, do you? BTW, what happened to your plan of not replying to any of my posts ever again?


--- Quote from: FrizzleFried on March 14, 2008, 03:20:31 pm ---You are correct that Ghosts haven't been DISPROVED...as God hasn't been DISPROVED...but neither have been proven either.  So yes,  they are the same as Santa Claus,  The Easter Bunny,  and The Tooth Fairy because they too haven't been DISPROVED either.
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That's a pretty trivial point of comparison. There is a ton of circumstantial/anecdotal evidence to support the existence of "ghosts", while essentially no adult that is not mentally-handicapped is even suggesting that  "Santa Claus,  The Easter Bunny,  and The Tooth Fairy" are real, no more than anyone is suggesting that Rocky Balboa or Darth Vader are real. You are trying to trivialize something that there is much sincere debate over, by comparing it to fairy tales that are known to have been intentionally made-up.

ChadTower:


--- Quote from: MaximRecoil on March 14, 2008, 03:32:40 pm ---You don't quite have the hang of that, do you? BTW, what happened to your plan of not replying to any of my posts ever again?
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You don't get to redefine my plan.  You clearly don't understand my plan.

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